Election impact on investments

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DairyQueen wrote: »

Anecdotally, I picked-up on a couple of points. Some prospective (remainer) Tory-LD converts decided that voting LD would be 'a wasted' vote (sounds familiar?). Others, as you say, were more committed to keeping Corbyn out than they were to maintaining EU membership.

Anti-Corbyn/hard-left seems to have been as much a driver as Brexit for many. Shame the LDs focused so much on Brexit. Missed opportunity as a more generalist manifesto may have resulted in them becoming the second of the UK's major parties.

The result suggests that the UK is a majority-Goldilocks electorate. We reject the extremes of the political spectrum but the LDs failed to exploit the moderate-left gap in the political market left empty by Tony Blair.

Having said that, I think that Johnson is far more moderate than he is currently credited. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a softer Brexit now that he is free of the need to cooperate with various extremes within his own party.

My parents in law were kids during the war, coming from working class families. Little education, worked hard all their lives and voted Labour.

They voted Remain in the referendum. For one thing, their daughter in law is Swedish and lives in Britain; so could be impacted by Brexit (although it would be too dumb for words).

They considered voting Lib Dem but in the end were so scared of PM Corbyn that voted Tory. First time in, I am guesstimating, 14 elections.

Triumph13

bostonerimus wrote: »

To understand you need to grasp that many people do not consider being a member of the EU as meaning that they are ruled from Brussels. The facts of the matter can be debated but some empathy for other people's beliefs goes a long way to understanding their actions and desires. We need more of a dialectic in the Hegelian meaning.

There is a significant part of the Scottish electorate for whom it is much simpler than that. The desire to leave the union for them is not so much driven by a desire for self rule as from an ingrained hatred and resentment of the English and a desire to be free of them. Viz the fact that so many Scots will automatically support ANY foreign sports team competing against England.

Triumph13

I've just gone and checked the overall results for Scotland and there is a very simple answer for Boris when the SNP demand another referendum. Their claim is that the results of this election are a mandate for a new referendum. All he has to do is keep pointing out that 55% of Scottish voters voted for parties that support the Union.

Ganga

Triumph13 wrote: »

I've just gone and checked the overall results for Scotland and there is a very simple answer for Boris when the SNP demand another referendum. Their claim is that the results of this election are a mandate for a new referendum. All he has to do is keep pointing out that 55% of Scottish voters voted for parties that support the Union.

And they voted to stay part of the union last time! How many referendums does the want to be queen of scotland need before the penny drops that the population do not want to be independant.:wall:

JoeEngland

nigelbb wrote: »

Maybe because countries are in fact not "ruled" by Brussels? The EU is a cooperative enterprise with all members involved in making the rules for the greater good.

Some countries have much more influence than others, and if we cannot vote out those in power in the EU then we effectively are ruled by them. The EU Commission has no accountability to voters.

JoeEngland

Ganga wrote: »

And they voted to stay part of the union last time! How many referendums does the want to be queen of scotland need before the penny drops that the population do not want to be independant.:wall:

It's the EU and Lib Dem mentality: you keep having referendums until you get the "right" result then your passion for democracy through referenda magically disappears.

bostonerimus

Referendums are a poll of people's desires at a single point in time. There was a referendum on the EU in the 1970s, but no one is going to say that we should stick with that answer. So the latest Brexit referendum is not a sacred result that can never be changed. If circumstances change then maybe there should be another referendum.

I give the Lib Dems credit for being upfront about wanting to reverse Article 50. It was political suicide because they were being truthful about what they actually believe and no one does that today.

"Alea iacta est" and for now the Rubicon is crossed. I sincerely hope that the UK can come out of all the new trade deals well and that the economy will grow without too much hurt for the folks at the bottom of the pile. I do fear for the future of the NHS, you dont want to have to deal with a US type system that I'm in.

bostonerimus

JoeEngland wrote: »

It's the EU and Lib Dem mentality: you keep having referendums until you get the "right" result then your passion for democracy through referenda magically disappears.

Of course both sides can equally well be argued to have that attitude.

alfmurph

What is so different 100 miles apart .
Labour strongholds for up to 100 years vote tory yet further north the tories are hated .
Cannot be that much difference between the people .
Maybe because in scotland they have a third choice . There isn't a northern england independance party yet .

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alfmurph wrote: »

What is so different 100 miles apart .
Labour strongholds for up to 100 years vote tory yet further north the tories are hated .
Cannot be that much difference between the people .
Maybe because in scotland they have a third choice . There isn't a northern england independance party yet .

LDs were an option. And Monster Raving Looney. English towns wanted to make damn sure Corbyn wasn’t going to be the PM. Meanwhile ‘liberal intelligentsia' were so quick to overlook the unpatriotic terrorist-loving racist's past behaviour