Neighbour and management threatening fines and eviction

Comms69

phill99 wrote: »

Yes they can. They do it for anti-social behaviour and other 'crimes'. Powers have been devolved from the courts but you still have the right to a court appearance.

Not the right topic for this, but just to be absolutely clear a fixed penalty notice is not a fine. It's an out of court disposal.


You agree to it. A fine is imposed.

RelievedSheff

need_an_answer wrote: »

As for try and come to some agreement on what times noise is acceptable...what planet are you living on...?

not everyone can afford to live in the detached house like your good self.

I come from a planet where people talk to each other and try to resolve their problems amicably.

It doesn't always work out but at least there was some effort put into trying to resolve a problem.

Seems that the OP, and many others on here, have the attitude that they and their families can do what ever they choose and sod those living around them.

Comms69

RelievedSheff wrote: »

The OP is causing the neighbours problem. The OP, and their children are the source of the problem/nuisance. - And? The OP isn't bothered about it (quite right too), it's solved simply by the neighbours moving.

It is their responsibility as adults to ensure that their life choices do not affect those around them. - Says you? Because I wholeheartedly disagree.

If the tables were turned and the downstairs neighbours were playing loud music at all hours disturbing the OP I somehow don't think they would be happy about it.

Probably not. But aside from the fact that the law already excludes domestic noise from complaints, so the OP is literally legally doing nothing wrong; playing loud music is not exempt and the neighbours would be fined.

Comms69

RelievedSheff wrote: »

I come from a planet where people talk to each other and try to resolve their problems amicably. - Human history disagrees with you.

It doesn't always work out but at least there was some effort put into trying to resolve a problem. - The OP did.

Seems that the OP, and many others on here, have the attitude that they and their families can do what ever they choose and sod those living around them.

Yes that exactly. I love my family. I like my friends. Everyone else I literally couldn't care less about.

RelievedSheff

Comms69 wrote: »

Yes, but you shouldn't leave a dog alone all day - that's cruel.


But please do carry on telling people how to raise their kids, you have such a wealth of experience, looking after a nephew once in a blue moon...

The dog goes to work with the OH which is beyond the point.

So you believe that having children somehow relieves you of social responsibility do you? Having children somehow gives you free reign to do as you like when you like and sod those around you?

RelievedSheff

Comms69 wrote: »

Yes that exactly. I love my family. I like my friends. Everyone else I literally couldn't care less about.

You must make for a great neighbour.

need_an_answer

RelievedSheff wrote: »

We don't have children and have no intention of having children. We do however on occasion look after our nieces and nephews who have all from a young age been taught that they respect others around them and know that outside play is noisy play and inside play is quiet time.

So by your reckoning it is fine for a child to disturb the neighbours? So by the same reckoning it would be fine for our dog to bark all day and disturb the neighbours? After all it is what dogs do they bark?

its always the ones without children who shout loudest about child noise.

but the one thing you cant get away from is the fact that at one point in time you were a child and came with all the associated noise and joy that they bring....however well behaved they are,I can assure you children cry.

Show me a lease that says no children with the exception of an age related over 55's set up....I can show you plenty of leases that say no pets …a pet can on occasion be removed if it causes substantial noise to others,if the lease permits...I would like to see the evidence you have for removing a perfectly well cared for child that cries

I agree dogs bark until they are trained...but children cry too...fact of life.

Comms69

RelievedSheff wrote: »

The dog goes to work with the OH which is beyond the point.

So you believe that having children somehow relieves you of social responsibility do you? Having children somehow gives you free reign to do as you like when you like and sod those around you?

No, you are mistaken. I was born with the ability to act freely. I choose to act the way I do because of a variety of factors.


I have zero social responsibility. I don't care about you, your OH, or your dog. If you are annoyed by something, that's a decision you make. If you don't like noise, don't live in a flat.


You talk about not impacting on others, yet the OP is supposed to change the way she wants to raise her kids, for the benefit of the neighbours....

Comms69

RelievedSheff wrote: »

You must make for a great neighbour.

Not just neighbours. People in general. I really don't care.

phill99

RelievedSheff wrote: »

If you approach your neighbours with the same attitude as this then I can see why you are butting heads and the situation clearly won't improve any time soon.

As the parent of these two children you have chosen to live in a first floor flat above other people. It is your responsibility to now ensure that your offspring don't cause a nuisance to those living beneath you. You will have to figure out how you are going to do that, after all you brought about the situation by moving there.

Perhaps explain to the children that they should walk carefully and quietly and not charge across the rooms. Explain that noisy play time is outside and quiet playtime is inside.

Other families manage it so I am pretty sure you can as well. That doesn't mean to say it is easy but it can be done.

Perhaps next time choose your accomodation more wisely!

What an absolutely selfish and unacceptable response.


Children and all humans make noise in a flat. Without children, the occupants would still make noise walking around the flat. If that was the only noise, would that still be unacceptable? Do you expect people to tip toe around their own home as it might just inconvenience someone else?


Most of us live in a very densely populated urban environment. I live in a 1902 mid terrace and can hear the next door children, adult laughter and even light switches being turned on. And they will be able to hear me. But their noise isn't unreasonable and is to be expected in homes where there was no sound insulation.


Normal living noises are not classed as nuisances and neither the Environmental Health Dept or any court would suggest otherwise. Playing the drums at three in the morning is a nuisance.


You are very typical of the me, me, me attitude that purveys this country at the moment and are the reason why there is so much conflict. You are showing no tolerance, have never had children and behaving in a most selfish manner.


I bet you're a bundle of fun to live next door to.