Leasehold restriction on pets

Murphybear

Has anyone here lived in a house where the next door neighbours had hens and a cockerel? That can be annoying beyond belief.

This happened to us a while ago. I don’t always sleep well and the sound of a cockerel cockerel-a-doodle-doing at dawn is no joke.

The cockerel disappeared suddenly and was never replaced. Our top theory was that the other neighbours had crept round in the middle of the night and kidnapped/stole it or just fancied a chicken curry.

unforeseen

theartfullodger wrote: »

Anyone is allowed chickens or rabbits (Allotments Act 1950)

However you do need to occupy some land, not just the flat.

Also the keeping of animals etc in the lease is echoed in the act

Provided that nothing in this subsection shall authorise any hens or rabbits to be kept in such a place or in such a manner as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance or affect the operation of any enactment

Davesnave

Murphybear wrote: »

Has anyone here lived in a house where the next door neighbours had hens and a cockerel? That can be annoying beyond belief.

We had a cockerel, or three. They were noisy, but the chicken run is 40m from our house.

Two of the cockerels were accidental results of amateur breeding. I admit to mis-sexing them when they were chicks, but as they grew I began to suspect the truth. Eventually, they looked quite evil and started having the odd go at us, so they were dispatched.

The other guy was intentional. A proper rare breed and reasonably affable, he was very large and handsome. Sadly, as he was wearing out his favourite hens, who were of a smaller breed, he too had to go. We found a local enthusiast for that breed to take him.

Our only near neighbour commented on how quiet it was afterwards. They were the same distance from the hens as us, but closer to winter cow barns and the tractor yard, so that was hogwash. Twenty hens may still be quite noisy too.

Living in the countryside, poultry must be expected, along with cows and sheep calling to their young, tractors, other machinery and the inevitable barking dog. It's OK, so long as it doesn't happen all at once and all the time!

davidmcn

G_M wrote: »

Does 'nuisance' = 'annoyance'?

At least that's clear that it must actually be a nuisance, and I expect that would be interpreted as a legal nuisance, not just what your neighbours find subjectively irritating.

Cakeguts

I find the entitled attitude that some people have these days very difficult to deal with. A dog in a flat has the possibility of become an absolute nightmare for the neighbours of the flat and also the dog itself and yet people want to look into what they want in owning one. Where has the consideration for others gone?



Basically if you choose to live in a flat you are also choosing not to have pets like dogs. If you want to have a dog you buy a house with a garden that is suitable for a dog and before anyone jumps in and says that that is not possible for everyone because of cost there are areas of the country where you could buy a house. This is all down to choice. People choose to live and work in expensive areas. They choose to live in a flat in that area. What choice does the dog get? What choice do the neighbours get? The choice of the neighbours to live in flats where no one keeps pets could be destroyed.



Lots of leases of flats have clauses about keeping pets especially dogs because of the noise they make. Flats and dogs don't mix.

FreeBear

Murphybear wrote: »

Has anyone here lived in a house where the next door neighbours had hens and a cockerel? That can be annoying beyond belief.

This happened to us a while ago. I don’t always sleep well and the sound of a cockerel cockerel-a-doodle-doing at dawn is no joke.

The cockerel disappeared suddenly and was never replaced. Our top theory was that the other neighbours had crept round in the middle of the night and kidnapped/stole it or just fancied a chicken curry.

A neighbour kept quails for a while. Whilst they are not particularly loud birds, the noise was pretty constant. The demise of the fowl were at the hands (jaws ?) of the local foxes which may have been the fate of your cockerel.

theartfullodger

unforeseen wrote: »

However you do need to occupy some land, not just the flat.

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As I understand it flat is "land" in this context: See on the general point from a much more expert person than me... "Oh Cluck"

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2011/04/oh-cluck/
& also
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2962208/chickens-s-12-allotments-act-1950

unforeseen

House hens. Now there's something you don't see or hear of much. Probably would be classed as a nuisance as they can rarely keep quiet.

Also EH would probably have something to say

unforeseen

theartfullodger wrote: »

As I understand it flat is "land" in this context: See on the general point from a much more expert person than me... "Oh Cluck"

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2011/04/oh-cluck/

that is talking about the garden not the flat.

theartfullodger wrote: »

& also
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2962208/chickens-s-12-allotments-act-1950

Nothing in either of those to imply that land can be construed as a building.

G_M

https://www.connexionfrance.com/index.php/French-news/call-for-countryside-noise-to-be-declared-part-of-the-intangible-national-heritage-of-france