Battery Electric Vehicle News / Enjoying the Transportation Revolution

JKenH

BEVs account for only 5% of van sales, yet for many applications they are the perfect vehicle, even if equipped with only relatively small batteries. A grocery delivery van is another ideal candidate for electrification as it can be recharged while loading up. It would be good to see HMG provide more targeted support/penalties, for certain large organisations with fleets of more than 20 vehicles such as supermarkets, Royal Mail, local councils etc (many of which operate primarily in urban areas). Perhaps, say, mandate 75% of new van purchases be BEVs. I believe this would yield more benefit in terms of CO2/pollution reduction than a cut in VAT on new electric car purchases which would tend only to benefit the more wealthy consumers. The Ford Transit in 2022 outsold all other vehicles and in 2023 was the third best selling vehicle behind only the Ford Puma and Nissan Qashqai. 

Electric Iveco eDaily joins Tesco home delivery fleet

Tesco has deployed the first of 151 electric Iveco eDaily chassis cabs as strives to decarbonise its fleet operations.

The two-battery vehicle has been specified to optimise payload and range. A further 150 Iveco eDaily two-battery models will be deployed towards the end of 2024

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/electric-iveco-edaily-joins-tesco-home-delivery-fleet

Martyn1981

The 'extremely expensive' part of the headline, is anything but positive, but a shift to BEV* is a big step.

*I'm reading the article and others as BEV's, not PEV's (including PHEV's), but could be wrong.

Jaguar kills off its entire range for new era of extremely expensive EVs

British automaker Jaguar – set to become an EV-only brand next year – is officially ending production of its ICE vehicles by June and stepping into a new era of very expensive but powerful EVs. Assembly lines are stopping to transition to an entirely new EV platform from the one underpinning the long-troubled I-Pace.

BossBob

So JLR have some work to do as they’ve just made a change to their cars software and apps that make them incompatible with the third party charging apps of Octopus and the like. So rather than octopus intelligently choosing when to charge the car at the most economic time the driver has to take a guess and hope they get it right.

shinytop

Martyn1981 said:

The 'extremely expensive' part of the headline, is anything but positive, but a shift to BEV* is a big step.

*I'm reading the article and others as BEV's, not PEV's (including PHEV's), but could be wrong.

Jaguar kills off its entire range for new era of extremely expensive EVs

British automaker Jaguar – set to become an EV-only brand next year – is officially ending production of its ICE vehicles by June and stepping into a new era of very expensive but powerful EVs. Assembly lines are stopping to transition to an entirely new EV platform from the one underpinning the long-troubled I-Pace. 

"Jaguar’s first next-gen EV will be a four-door GT with prices upwards of £100,000 (about $127,000), and will be Jaguar’s most powerful road car of all time with upwards of 575 hp. The GT will be equipped with all-wheel drive and offer a 0 to 60 mph acceleration time of under four seconds. The car will be capable of fast charging and have a range of up to 434 miles (700 km)."

Just what the world needs;  575bhp and sub 4 seconds 0-60.  I really hope this won't attract any sort of grants or subsidies. 

Martyn1981

Yeh! A battery electric forklift ...... hang on, that's not new.   Ah, this one is really big, and for use at the port of San Diego.

The Port of San Diego just deployed one of the largest electric forklifts in the US

The Port of San Diego has put the first commercially available, large-capacity, electric forklift made in the US into service.

It’s the first of six net zero pieces of construction equipment that the port will deploy over the next 12 to 18 months.

Leading the charge at the Port of San Diego’s Tenth Avenue Marine Terminal is a 55,000-pound capacity Wiggins Yard eBull battery electric forklift. Not just any forklift, this net zero machine is a behemoth among electric machinery, capable of lifting up to 25 metric tons, making it one of the largest electric forklifts in the US.

It has over 100 kWh of onboard energy storage, and it can support eight-hour shifts with Level 2 charging or double shifts with DC fast charging. The Port of San Diego says it’s completed the initial installation of the electrical infrastructure needed to support the eBull electric forklift, but it doesn’t say whether it’s installed Level 2 charging or DC fast charging. I’ve asked and will update when I hear back.

1961Nick

Martyn1981 said:

The 'extremely expensive' part of the headline, is anything but positive, but a shift to BEV* is a big step.

*I'm reading the article and others as BEV's, not PEV's (including PHEV's), but could be wrong.

Jaguar kills off its entire range for new era of extremely expensive EVs

British automaker Jaguar – set to become an EV-only brand next year – is officially ending production of its ICE vehicles by June and stepping into a new era of very expensive but powerful EVs. Assembly lines are stopping to transition to an entirely new EV platform from the one underpinning the long-troubled I-Pace.

There's a lot of concern within the Jaguar community that the new direction could actually kill off Jaguar. An EV range starting at £100K was a bold move when it was announced, but with EV residuals crashing & much higher finance costs it now looks existential. Applying typical depreciation/finance values to a £100K Jag & you're looking at a monthly payment well north of £2000

The only thing in Jaguar's favour is that any sales will help LR avoid penalties. The only problem is trying to sell 1 £100K Jaguar for every 4 land Rovers in the UK & the reducing that ratio year by year - currently it's 3:1 with most sales sub £50K.

The latest press coverage of runaway iPaces isn't going to help the brand image very much either.

Considering that Jaguar where there at the beginning of the mass market EV revolution in 2017 with the very compelling iPace, they have massively dropped the ball as the only serious competitor at that time was the Model 3. Jaguar have subsequently spent 7 years standing absolutely still in a fast moving marketplace. They spent a huge sum developing the electric XJ & then canned it without carrying over any of that development into the new platform.

Grumpy_chap

1961Nick said:

They spent a huge sum developing the electric XJ & then canned it without carrying over any of that development into the new platform.

I have read a lot about the new XJ being all-electric.
I assumed that the new £100k Jaguar referenced in the recent posts would be the XJ and that would then be followed by cascading down the model line-up to the XF and the XE.
£100k for an XJ would complete with the Mercedes EQS, and the cascade down to the XF would compete with the EQE and then follow the trend.  
I agree that the iPACE was putting Jaguar ahead of the curve and it would be odd if they scrapped all the development knowledge from the iPACE and whatever was invested in the all-electric XJ.  Perhaps the "all new" part is marketing so that when Jaguar launch the new electric range they have the positioning message that this is all the very latest you can get, while in fact some if legacy from the iPACE and electric XJ ...

1961Nick

Grumpy_chap said:

1961Nick said:

They spent a huge sum developing the electric XJ & then canned it without carrying over any of that development into the new platform.

I have read a lot about the new XJ being all-electric.
I assumed that the new £100k Jaguar referenced in the recent posts would be the XJ and that would then be followed by cascading down the model line-up to the XF and the XE.
£100k for an XJ would complete with the Mercedes EQS, and the cascade down to the XF would compete with the EQE and then follow the trend.  
I agree that the iPACE was putting Jaguar ahead of the curve and it would be odd if they scrapped all the development knowledge from the iPACE and whatever was invested in the all-electric XJ.  Perhaps the "all new" part is marketing so that when Jaguar launch the new electric range they have the positioning message that this is all the very latest you can get, while in fact some if legacy from the iPACE and electric XJ ...

The iPace & the iPace platform is being discontinued & Jaguar have started from scratch with a completely new EV concept. They did design & engineer a production ready XJ with an entirely new platform but scrapped that as well. The new EV range has an entry level of £100K so there won't be a product to cover any of the existing market & the new platform & architecture is too costly for that anyway.

I'm not sure how big the market is for £100K vehicles with a 35% residual after 3 years? Pretty niche is my guess.

Magnitio

Some pretty significant (£20k+) discounts available on the iPace and plenty of secondhand bargains. It's a shame that the recent update of this car was not more substantial; it's an excellent car, but needed to be made more efficient and have a faster charge in order to compete. 

Martyn1981

1961Nick said:

Martyn1981 said:

The 'extremely expensive' part of the headline, is anything but positive, but a shift to BEV* is a big step.

*I'm reading the article and others as BEV's, not PEV's (including PHEV's), but could be wrong.

Jaguar kills off its entire range for new era of extremely expensive EVs

British automaker Jaguar – set to become an EV-only brand next year – is officially ending production of its ICE vehicles by June and stepping into a new era of very expensive but powerful EVs. Assembly lines are stopping to transition to an entirely new EV platform from the one underpinning the long-troubled I-Pace.

There's a lot of concern within the Jaguar community that the new direction could actually kill off Jaguar. An EV range starting at £100K was a bold move when it was announced, but with EV residuals crashing & much higher finance costs it now looks existential. Applying typical depreciation/finance values to a £100K Jag & you're looking at a monthly payment well north of £2000

The only thing in Jaguar's favour is that any sales will help LR avoid penalties. The only problem is trying to sell 1 £100K Jaguar for every 4 land Rovers in the UK & the reducing that ratio year by year - currently it's 3:1 with most sales sub £50K.

The latest press coverage of runaway iPaces isn't going to help the brand image very much either.

Considering that Jaguar where there at the beginning of the mass market EV revolution in 2017 with the very compelling iPace, they have massively dropped the ball as the only serious competitor at that time was the Model 3. Jaguar have subsequently spent 7 years standing absolutely still in a fast moving marketplace. They spent a huge sum developing the electric XJ & then canned it without carrying over any of that development into the new platform.

Yeah, I think if they'd kept developing it and updating fast, they may have had a chance. But it was so inefficient, so that huge battery added weight and cost, then took longer to recharge for any given distance.

I think the battery fire problem pretty much finished them off, especially as the 'fix' didn't seem to be 100% successful.

But still a good start, so it's that 7yr standstill you mention, that was the real killer. The BEV market is moving so fast, as it will for another decade or two.