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ABrass

Is this a carbon copy of the EU rules?

orrery

JKenH said:

Car firms forced to sell electric cars next year under net zero plans...

7 years? Surely that means everyone will be buying PHEVs then?

Coastalwatch

Meanwhile battery recycling in Karlesruhe, Germany is following a different path towards a greener future.

KIT to use mechanical over chemical processes for battery recycling

The Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) has developed a recycling process for batteries in which up to 70 per cent of the lithium can be recovered. And it does so without the use of corrosive chemicals, high temperatures or the need for prior sorting of the materials.

“The method is suitable for recovering lithium from cathode materials of different chemical compositions and thus for many different commercially available lithium-ion batteries,” explains Oleksandr Dolotko, lead author of the publication. “It allows for cost-effective, energy-efficient and environmentally friendly recycling.” This is because the mechanochemical reaction takes place at room temperature and at normal air pressure. Moreover, according to the KIT researchers, the process is simple, which will facilitate its use on an industrial scale.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/29/kit-to-use-mechanical-over-chemical-processes-for-battery-recycling/

Martyn1981

Nice to see the EU set 2030 charging targets for BEV trucks.

EU Deal On Truck Charging Clears The Way For Ambitious CO2 Targets

By 2030, governments must provide at least 3,600 kW of truck charging capacity every 60 km along the EU’s primary motorways. On secondary motorways, at least 1,500 kW of truck charging capacity will need to be available every 100 km. By that year, charging hubs must be available in every major city, and there will need to be four charging stations in each designated ‘safe and secure truck parking area’.

Coastalwatch

Often knocked for not setting targets or sufficiently supporting the transition to a clean future they appear to have at least set aside the sum below to assist in the roll out of charging infrastructure that will be so desperately needed as EV's appear in ever greater numbers.

I'm disappointed they were not able to support the inclusion of solar panel installation where sensible on all new build properties be they commercial or domestic as put forward in a members bill in parliament recently so the announcement below does comes as a something of a consolation.

UK to invest over £380 million in charging infrastructure

The British government has announced an additional investment of more than 380 million pounds in the development of charging infrastructure for electric vehicles as part of a major energy package.

In addition, the government is now launching the final consultation on their so-called ‘ZEV mandate’. The consultation will run until 24 May 2023 and is intended to pave the transition to enshrine in law the planned combustion vehicle phase-out for new cars in the United Kingdom from 2035. The UK government’s proposal for the ZEV mandate is to impose annual sales targets for electric vehicles on manufacturers. Specifically, from 2024, at least 22 per cent of new passenger cars sold in the UK will have to be locally emission-free.

This ZEV quota is to increase to 80 per cent by 2030 and to the targeted 100 per cent by 2035. For new vans, at least ten per cent of vehicles sold in the UK are to be zero-emission in 2024, 70 per cent in 2030 and 100 per cent in 2035.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/30/uk-to-invest-over-380-million-in-charging-infrastructure/

1961Nick

Coastalwatch said:

Often knocked for not setting targets or sufficiently supporting the transition to a clean future they appear to have at least set aside the sum below to assist in the roll out of charging infrastructure that will be so desperately needed as EV's appear in ever greater numbers.

I'm disappointed they were not able to support the inclusion of solar panel installation where sensible on all new build properties be they commercial or domestic as put forward in a members bill in parliament recently so the announcement below does comes as a something of a consolation.

UK to invest over £380 million in charging infrastructure

The British government has announced an additional investment of more than 380 million pounds in the development of charging infrastructure for electric vehicles as part of a major energy package.

In addition, the government is now launching the final consultation on their so-called ‘ZEV mandate’. The consultation will run until 24 May 2023 and is intended to pave the transition to enshrine in law the planned combustion vehicle phase-out for new cars in the United Kingdom from 2035. The UK government’s proposal for the ZEV mandate is to impose annual sales targets for electric vehicles on manufacturers. Specifically, from 2024, at least 22 per cent of new passenger cars sold in the UK will have to be locally emission-free.

This ZEV quota is to increase to 80 per cent by 2030 and to the targeted 100 per cent by 2035. For new vans, at least ten per cent of vehicles sold in the UK are to be zero-emission in 2024, 70 per cent in 2030 and 100 per cent in 2035.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/30/uk-to-invest-over-380-million-in-charging-infrastructure/

£380m sounds like a lot of money but it really isn't in terms of what's needed. If a fast charger costs £100K then this investment will only pay for 3800 installations. I'd suggest a figure of £1B per annum for the next 7 years is closer to what's required. A few more billion will also be needed to upgrade the grid to supply power to all the new charging points. If the government wants the LCV fleet to go electric then an ample supply of (working) public fast chargers is essential. Adding solar/wind & battery storage to public charging stations might not be a bad idea either.

I honestly believe that if the government took the lead in the rollout of an efficient public charging network instead of offering 'crumbs', they wouldn't need to bribe, tax & fine to facilitate EV take up. One day I might be surprised & our policy makers might indulge in some joined up thinking & planning... I live in hope!

Martyn1981

Maybe it's time for the Gov to admit defeat, and just pay/subsidise Tesla to build out 1,000's of SC locations, with the requirement that they be open to all PEV's.

Nick, your guess of £100k looks reasonable based on this article from a year ago in Texas. A grant of 70%, upto $150k was offered per charger. Most submissions were for the full $150k, whilst Tesla asked for $30k per charger, suggesting a cost of $43k. Since then they've started rolling them out from the factory pre-installed on a base, in sets of 4 (two sets to a lorry load).

I don't see why Tesla should be so far ahead, but why not lean on them to expand the network faster.


Edit - Just spitballing, but if Tesla got a subsidy of ~50% per charger (ignoring location costs, which might be offered free to encourage visitors), then that's around £18k/charger. So ~21k chargers, which at 2 cars/hr would be ~1m potential per day. Not sure what %age of rapid charges are needed. Plus of course that funding isn't just for rapid charging.

1961Nick

Martyn1981 said:

Maybe it's time for the Gov to admit defeat, and just pay/subsidise Tesla to build out 1,000's of SC locations, with the requirement that they be open to all PEV's.

Nick, your guess of £100k looks reasonable based on this article from a year ago in Texas. A grant of 70%, upto $150k was offered per charger. Most submissions were for the full $150k, whilst Tesla asked for $30k per charger, suggesting a cost of $43k. Since then they've started rolling them out from the factory pre-installed on a base, in sets of 4 (two sets to a lorry load).

I don't see why Tesla should be so far ahead, but why not lean on them to expand the network faster.


Edit - Just spitballing, but if Tesla got a subsidy of ~50% per charger (ignoring location costs, which might be offered free to encourage visitors), then that's around £18k/charger. So ~21k chargers, which at 2 cars/hr would be ~1m potential per day. Not sure what %age of rapid charges are needed. Plus of course that funding isn't just for rapid charging.

Doing a deal with Tesla would make a lot of sense for both parties. The UK would get fast, reliable infrastructure at a low cost with the ability to integrate solar & storage where possible. Tesla get brand exposure & potential sales... and possibly a Model 2 factory??

JKenH

I had been struggling to find figures for installation costs for public charging. I imagine there is some commercial sensitivity.

However I did find this: 

Osprey Charging will install more than 150 high-powered electric vehicle (EV) charging hubs across the UK by 2025.

A total of 1,500 150-175KW rapid chargers will be installed across the sites, which will be located on strategic A-roads and adjacent to motorways.

The £75 million rollout will also see new charger optimisation technology deployed.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-fleet-news/2021/09/17/osprey-charging-to-invest-75m-on-rapid-electric-vehicle-charging-hubs

If 1500 rapid chargers cost £75m then that’s £50,000 per rapid. The figure will vary, no doubt, depending on the cost of upgrading the local grid but it’s a starting point.

Currently we have 38982 charging devices of which 7426 are rapid/ultra-rapid chargers (about a fifth of the total).

https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

It is estimated we need another 260,000 or so by 2030 of which (applying the same ratio) about 50,000 would need to be rapids. That’s £2.5bn needed just for the rapids. I have no figures for fast chargers but if we take a figure of, say, £5k per device (to include the device, cabling, groundworks etc that will be another £1bn or so for 200,000 fast chargers. 

The government funding is therefore around a tenth of what’s needed. 

When we think what the government has spent on recent emergency measures such as Track and Trace -£22bn or is spending on HS2 c£100bn - £3.5bn is a drop in the ocean. It’s less than half of what the government collects in a single year from VED.

If the government want us all to drive EVs then why can’t they just build the charging stations and then we can all enjoy them. If it matters so much that they are going to start fining manufacturers £15k per car for missing the targets then it must be serious enough for them to take ownership of the problem. 

michaels

1961Nick said:

Martyn1981 said:

Maybe it's time for the Gov to admit defeat, and just pay/subsidise Tesla to build out 1,000's of SC locations, with the requirement that they be open to all PEV's.

Nick, your guess of £100k looks reasonable based on this article from a year ago in Texas. A grant of 70%, upto $150k was offered per charger. Most submissions were for the full $150k, whilst Tesla asked for $30k per charger, suggesting a cost of $43k. Since then they've started rolling them out from the factory pre-installed on a base, in sets of 4 (two sets to a lorry load).

I don't see why Tesla should be so far ahead, but why not lean on them to expand the network faster.


Edit - Just spitballing, but if Tesla got a subsidy of ~50% per charger (ignoring location costs, which might be offered free to encourage visitors), then that's around £18k/charger. So ~21k chargers, which at 2 cars/hr would be ~1m potential per day. Not sure what %age of rapid charges are needed. Plus of course that funding isn't just for rapid charging.

Doing a deal with Tesla would make a lot of sense for both parties. The UK would get fast, reliable infrastructure at a low cost with the ability to integrate solar & storage where possible. Tesla get brand exposure & potential sales... and possibly a Model 2 factory??

Not the right thread but current UK ev subsidy policy is a disaster - basically there is BIK reduction and this is driving sales of cars that are almost entirely not UK built, so UK tax payer subsidising foreign workers - mostly Tesla.  They would have done much better to subsidise Tesla £5bn or however much they are making from the reduced BIK directly to build a UK factory.