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ABrass

JKenH said:

Martyn1981 said:

This article is probably more important than just being fun, looking at the time and cost of travelling from John O'Groats to Land's End. But what struck me most, was the time and cost of last place, which even if we are rude/unfair and call it considerably more than the others, is still only £90 and less than 21hrs. That's pretty cool.

The UK’s Cheapest Electric Vehicles & Fastest On Road Trips

Leasing Options, a leasing service that has been serving the UK for over 30 years, has shared its findings on the fastest and cheapest electric vehicles (EVs) in the UK. In an EV range race from John O’Groats to Land’s End, Tesla was the speediest brand. Some key findings from the race are as follows:

The Real Winners Are Those Switching To EVs From Fossil Fuel Vehicles

Although this was a fun race in the UK to determine which EVs were faster and cheaper for such a race, I want to point out that not everyone races vehicles. Many simply use vehicles to go from points A to B and maybe C, D, and sometimes E, and so on.

The real winners are those making the switch to electric vehicles from fossil fuel vehicles. Electric vehicles are more fun, cleaner, and guilt free.

16 hours is notably different from 20 hours for a road trip, but any of these vehicles could be a fun, pleasant option for an electric road trip.

It’s a good job it was just a bit of fun and also just a theoretical exercise or the Leaf would probably not have broken 24 hours with Rapidgate. 

I was interested that there was barely anything in it between the Tesla Model S/X with the 100 kwh battery and the M3 with the 55kwh battery. Just what is the point of the S/X?

As @silverwhistle pointed out in an earlier post (with reference to a 200mile range) regular stops are recommended. If the 2 hour maximum recommended driving without a break advice was adhered to the M3 would have won and times would be a lot closer for most of the cars. Is anyone going to drive 325 miles without stopping?

30 or so years ago I did drive 300 miles without stopping (to get home with kids in the car after a cross channel ferry crossing) but with the state of our roads and so many 50 mph speed limits and cameras I doubt that would be so easy now.  

I wonder how the Leaf 62 kwh, Kona and e-Niro would have faired. I did think it was a bit surprising to pick the 40 Kwh Leaf for this exercise. 

PS didn’t some bloke in an Audi S5 do the trip in nine and a half hours?

The S and X are bigger. That's about it. The exercise was a paper one, and limited, with the S's longer range it shouldn't have needed as long at each stop so should have beaten the X by a couple of minutes.

It's have been more interesting with a long range Model 3 as they charge faster than the S/X and have comparable range.

It is an interesting paper study and shows that, with decent charging infrastructure, long distance EV travel is possible without losing too much time. If you're not in a E-Golf.

JKenH

Volkswagen Passenger Cars over-fulfils European CO2 fleet targets for 2020

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/volkswagen-passenger-cars-over-fulfils-european-co2-fleet-targets-for-2020/

or

VW Faces Small Fine After Missing Europe CO2 Emissions Target

http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/vw-faces-small-fine-after-missing-europe-co2-emissions-target-1.1551706

ABrass

JKenH said:

Volkswagen Passenger Cars over-fulfils European CO2 fleet targets for 2020

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/volkswagen-passenger-cars-over-fulfils-european-co2-fleet-targets-for-2020/

or

VW Faces Small Fine After Missing Europe CO2 Emissions Target

http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/vw-faces-small-fine-after-missing-europe-co2-emissions-target-1.1551706

VWPC Vs VWAG perhaps. The first is just VW branded cars, whilst VWG/VWAG include Seat, Audi, Skoda and VW commercial vehicles.

JKenH

JKenH said:

Tesla slashes Model 3 price in Europe by up to 9 per cent

Edit: 2nd link added

https://thedriven.io/2021/01/21/tesla-slashes-model-3-price-in-europe-by-up-to-9-per-cent/

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

Why are Teslas so expensive in the UK?

In the UK a Tesla M3 costs £40490 before government credit.

In the US a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £28609 before any incentives.

In Germany a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £35457 before incentives.

ABrass

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Tesla slashes Model 3 price in Europe by up to 9 per cent

Edit: 2nd link added

https://thedriven.io/2021/01/21/tesla-slashes-model-3-price-in-europe-by-up-to-9-per-cent/

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

Why are Teslas so expensive in the UK?

In the UK a Tesla M3 costs £40490 before government credit.

In the US a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £28609 before any incentives.

In Germany a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £35457 before incentives.

UK price has VAT, US doesn't include it.

I believe there's a 10% tarrif on US cars.

No idea on the Germany front, but my guess is that the recent price changes in Europe are due to supply cutting over to the cheaper to run China factory. We haven't had a price cut because they're not building RHD units for us there yet.

JKenH

ABrass said:

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Tesla slashes Model 3 price in Europe by up to 9 per cent

Edit: 2nd link added

https://thedriven.io/2021/01/21/tesla-slashes-model-3-price-in-europe-by-up-to-9-per-cent/

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

Why are Teslas so expensive in the UK?

In the UK a Tesla M3 costs £40490 before government credit.

In the US a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £28609 before any incentives.

In Germany a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £35457 before incentives.

UK price has VAT, US doesn't include it.

I believe there's a 10% tarrif on US cars.

No idea on the Germany front, but my guess is that the recent price changes in Europe are due to supply cutting over to the cheaper to run China factory. We haven't had a price cut because they're not building RHD units for us there yet.

Just looking at this a bit more I not sure whether the UK price I quoted is before or after the PICG of £3000. Tesla’s website doesn’t seem to make it clear but I am beginning to think that the £40490 is after deduction of PICG so the list price might be £43490. Like a lot of things involving Tesla it is a bit opaque. 

Edit: just found another source and the RRP is in fact £43490 so the difference compared to Germany is around £8k. Both would be subject to 10% import tax I believe and I think the German VAT rate is 19%. 

I thought the cars delivered from China to Europe in December (i.e. before the price cut) had LFP batteries.
I think I’d settle for the LFP battery if I could get one for the German price. I imagine if the reason for the price cut is cheaper build costs in China a few European customers who got their MIC cars in December will be a bit miffed that they paid the old higher price for the cheaper to build MIC car. 

Martyn1981

ABrass said:

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Tesla slashes Model 3 price in Europe by up to 9 per cent

Edit: 2nd link added

https://thedriven.io/2021/01/21/tesla-slashes-model-3-price-in-europe-by-up-to-9-per-cent/

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

Why are Teslas so expensive in the UK?

In the UK a Tesla M3 costs £40490 before government credit.

In the US a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £28609 before any incentives.

In Germany a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £35457 before incentives.

UK price has VAT, US doesn't include it.

I believe there's a 10% tarrif on US cars.

No idea on the Germany front, but my guess is that the recent price changes in Europe are due to supply cutting over to the cheaper to run China factory. We haven't had a price cut because they're not building RHD units for us there yet.

Yep, cheaper cars from China, and also the reduction in import tax, I think China is 3.5% (v's 10% from the US).
Typical of Tesla to cut prices as costs fall, and of course depending on supply, so each time they ramp production up a bit, prices tend to fall too.
I'm assuming we won't be seeing any MIC (made in China) TMY's in Europe, and will have to wait for the Berlin Gigafactory, as demand is high in China, possibly 85k per quarter, though I didn't realise the factory upgrade had hit that ramp rate already, guess we'll have to wait for Q1 numbers to find out.
Hopefully the UK will see a price cut too soon, but all the complexities of Brexit may be an issue, but price changes never seem to be singular and overall, but often roll out in 'weird' ways.

ABrass

I think we can all agree it's complicated and confusing and we'd much prefer the German pricing scheme.

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

ABrass said:

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Tesla slashes Model 3 price in Europe by up to 9 per cent

Edit: 2nd link added

https://thedriven.io/2021/01/21/tesla-slashes-model-3-price-in-europe-by-up-to-9-per-cent/

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

Why are Teslas so expensive in the UK?

In the UK a Tesla M3 costs £40490 before government credit.

In the US a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £28609 before any incentives.

In Germany a Tesla buyer pays the equivalent of £35457 before incentives.

UK price has VAT, US doesn't include it.

I believe there's a 10% tarrif on US cars.

No idea on the Germany front, but my guess is that the recent price changes in Europe are due to supply cutting over to the cheaper to run China factory. We haven't had a price cut because they're not building RHD units for us there yet.

Yep, cheaper cars from China, and also the reduction in import tax, I think China is 3.5% (v's 10% from the US).
Typical of Tesla to cut prices as costs fall, and of course depending on supply, so each time they ramp production up a bit, prices tend to fall too.
I'm assuming we won't be seeing any MIC (made in China) TMY's in Europe, and will have to wait for the Berlin Gigafactory, as demand is high in China, possibly 85k per quarter, though I didn't realise the factory upgrade had hit that ramp rate already, guess we'll have to wait for Q1 numbers to find out.
Hopefully the UK will see a price cut too soon, but all the complexities of Brexit may be an issue, but price changes never seem to be singular and overall, but often roll out in 'weird' ways.

I wasn’t aware that EU import duties had changed between December and January and MIC TM3s were being delivered and sold at the higher price in December.

If you look on the forums you will see that not all European countries have received the price cuts so I doubt it is just cheaper manufacturing cost. It is targeted. 

Cutting RRP will inevitably impact on residual values so it could damage the brand.

If as is suggested Elon Musk is cutting prices for altruistic reasons (and I wouldn’t rule it out as it is part of his mission to hasten the roll out of EVs) then how does that fit with the share price. If Tesla are happy to break even (Musk is a bit of an enigma) then when are the investors in Tesla ever going to see a return on investment to justify the current share price. 

Martyn1981

Silly post, but wanted to give Arcimoto a quick shout out. A while back Wifey was chatting with them on forum and joked about merchandise not being available in the UK. The CEO chatted back, and Wifey ordered me a baseball cap and Howard and Hilda t-shirts ..... for a laugh.
Sadly, on Xmas day when we opened the package the large men's t-shirt was more like a kids t-shirt and struggled to contain my manly body (Covid fat). [Picture Ross in his Frankie says t-shirt, but replace the muscles with flab ..... actually probably best not to picture that.]
Wifey told Arcimoto and joked that this was cruel, not only could hubby not get one of their FUV's, but now can't even wear the t-shirt. They apologised and said women's t-shirts had been wrongly labelled mens, and said they'd replace it. We joked with them that they were too busy with their factory move and company expansion, and share price rises were more than enough to ofsett our inconvenience, but today a parcel of t-shirts, socks and an Arcimoto logo steel keyring / beer bottle opener arrived ....... gotta love a company with a great sense of humour ..... and a 25% share price rise yesterday will do ..... I suppose!