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QrizB said:thevilla said:The £9724 price was with gas available btw.And (in case anyone has forgotten) that gas capacity was available in the UK, and would have cost a lot less. Sadly the grid couldn't deliver it to the pocket of SE England that needed it, and the only way to prevent load shedding was to import it from continental Europe via an interconnector.thevilla said:Just emphasises the need for grid reinforcement and more distributed battery storage.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0
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or bring cables down the North sea to the south East0
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paul991 said:or bring cables down the North sea to the south EastNorthern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0
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Greg Jackson has convinced me on zonal pricing fwiw.4.7kwp PV split equally N and S 20° 2016.Givenergy AIO (2024)Seat Mii electric (2021). MG4 Trophy (2024).1.2kw Ripple Kirk Hill. 0.6kw Derril Water.Whitelaw Bay 0.2kwVaillant aroTHERM plus 5kW ASHP (2025)Gas supply capped (2025)0
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thevilla said:Greg Jackson has convinced me on zonal pricing fwiw.The system we have for passing on the costs of transitioning to Net Zero is regressive as utility bills constitute a larger portion of the outgoings of the less well off. Generally, (of course there will be exceptions) it is the more affluent home owners who have solar panels and/or batteries and can deflect the costs loaded onto our bills and the subsidies some of us receive (FiT) are funded by bill payers not general taxation. I am surprised there haven’t been riots already.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0
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thevilla said:Greg Jackson has convinced me on zonal pricing fwiw.
It sounds like economic sense to use the price to potentially shift demand and give the correct signals for building out the network but I don't understand the full nuances.I think....0 -
I reckon it doesn't have to be a big bang approach. Greg probably differs
4.7kwp PV split equally N and S 20° 2016.Givenergy AIO (2024)Seat Mii electric (2021). MG4 Trophy (2024).1.2kw Ripple Kirk Hill. 0.6kw Derril Water.Whitelaw Bay 0.2kwVaillant aroTHERM plus 5kW ASHP (2025)Gas supply capped (2025)0 -
The renewables industry is already starting to push back against Zonal Pricing maintaining that only consumers in Northern Scotland would benefit. If this illustration is correct who is getting all the profit from charging England and Wales more? Is it perhaps offsetting subsidies?Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0
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JKenH said:The renewables industry is already starting to push back against Zonal Pricing maintaining that only consumers in Northern Scotland would benefit. If this illustration is correct who is getting all the profit from charging England and Wales more? Is it perhaps offsetting subsidies?
The average price increase looks to be about 0.5p per kWh, is that about 5% at a wholesale level and about 2% at a retail level?I think....1 -
michaels said:JKenH said:The renewables industry is already starting to push back against Zonal Pricing maintaining that only consumers in Northern Scotland would benefit. If this illustration is correct who is getting all the profit from charging England and Wales more? Is it perhaps offsetting subsidies?
The average price increase looks to be about 0.5p per kWh, is that about 5% at a wholesale level and about 2% at a retail level?Edit: sorry, the illustration is looking at the wholesale price. I was assuming there would be savings on grid upgrades with Zonal Pricing but these would be reflected in the retail price.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)1
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