Royal Mail Dispute

Altarf

tomdickharry wrote: »

it is the norm for people to get their mail if they so wish to do, something that's yes against the company rules without a manager signing it ok, but it's always been done,
though not sure what i've drip fed people,
i post as i see it,
i could be posting something that doesn't happen everywhere but i'm only privvy to my own d/o,
i'll quit now if irritating,
i only wanted to let people know that the fat corporate people that are ripping the company to bits are to blame,
we are just simple working class people, as are most higher up in the CWU chain who know very little in the legalities of the strict UK laws in fighting fair and square,
yes those at the top should know better, but it is what it is

thanks for everyone's input, and i'll keep on fighting for my rights

If RM employees have such contempt for their employer that they can't even keep to the most basic security process, then no wonder there is no love lost between the two sides.

Revenue falling, profits have halved, and the share price has fallen off a cliff - https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-royal-mail-outlook/royal-mail-shares-hit-record-low-after-profit-forecast-trimmed-idUKKCN1PN0LE

Doesn't look like a business where continuing to pay your employees more than the competition (employees who cannot follow simple rules and demonstrate that by posting photos of themselves breaching the rules) would be a good business strategy.

shaun_from_Africa

Altarf wrote: »

Great.

So why has revenue fallen, profits halved and the share price fallen through the floor?

Perhaps it is because their business is unsustainable in the long term, particularly with unrealistic demands from employees.

Quite possibly you are correct.
However, if that is the reason for the loss of profits and the fall in share price then maybe it's not because of RM being "no longer relevant to the vast majority of the population" and RM parcel delivery being "useless for most of the working population", claims that you still haven't actually been able back up in any way, shape or form.

In fact, going by the comments on this thread, there still seems to be a lot of people who do use Royal Mail on a very regular basis and who have no problems with how they currently operate.

Altarf

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Quite possibly you are correct.
However, if that is the reason for the loss of profits and the fall in share price then maybe it's not because of RM being "no longer relevant to the vast majority of the population" and RM parcel delivery being "useless for most of the working population", claims that you still haven't actually been able back up in any way, shape or form.

You really don't see the connection between my comments and RM's falling revenue, profits, and share price?

Really?

Are you sure if you try really, really hard?

Or perhaps you could get someone to explain it to you. Although pick someone with a lot of patience.

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

In fact, going by the comments on this thread, there still seems to be a lot of people who do use Royal Mail on a very regular basis and who have no problems with how they currently operate.

You mean those people who received one letter a year about their hospital appointment!

Clearly not enough to prop up this declining business though.

shaun_from_Africa

No one can deny that the volume of mail handled by Royal Mail is dropping on a regular basis but surely you can't deny that the 14.4 billion letters they dealt with last year shows that the service they offer is still in demand.
After all, 14.4 billion is an awful lot more than people receiving one letter a year regarding hospital appointments.

Pollycat

tomdickharry wrote: »

it ISN'T against RM rules to pick up you're own mail as stated several times so far IF you get permission, but as we work in a usually trusted environment it's never enforced to seek permission,
but because they've seen a legal loophole to exploit the situation they are taking it,

You really don't get it, do you?
If I worked in that environment and wanted to pick up my mail from the sorting office instead of having it delivered, I would make sure that I had proactively sought permission.

tomdickharry wrote: »

by the way, we are company ruled bound to also use trolley to deliver where physically possible, RM don't enforce this either as it will add hours to an average delivery duty, but now "if" we all decided to use them, they would probably deem this IA!

This sounds nonsense.
I'm beginning to have some sympathy for RM management.

tomdickharry wrote: »

you get my drift as to what company i work for

I have no idea what this means.

DoaM

http://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Delivery-Royal-Mail-Operations-SSOWv1.1.pdf

That RM risk assessment mentions trolleys but doesn't say they're mandatory - pouches/bags are also mentioned.

Pollycat

tomdickharry wrote: »

it ISN'T against RM rules to pick up you're own mail as stated several times so far IF you get permission, but as we work in a usually trusted environment it's never enforced to seek permission,
but because they've seen a legal loophole to exploit the situation they are taking it, by the way, we are company ruled bound to also use trolley to deliver where physically possible, RM don't enforce this either as it will add hours to an average delivery duty, but now "if" we all decided to use them, they would probably deem this IA!

you get my drift as to what company i work for

Re the bit in bold:
So another example of RM employees ignoring rules.

Hermione_Granger

tomdickharry wrote: »

it ISN'T against RM rules to pick up you're own mail as stated several times so far IF you get permission, but as we work in a usually trusted environment it's never enforced to seek permission,

If I worked in a McDonalds, it wouldn't be against the rules to eat some of their food without paying for it providing that I had permission to do so and if I broke this rule, I would likely lose my job for it.
It's totally pointless you stating "IF you get permission" when you know full well that permission wasn't asked for or given.

custardy

Pollycat wrote: »

Re the bit in bold:
So another example of RM employees ignoring rules.

Well its not really. Im out of date but I doubt its changed.
Excluding duties with high capacity trolleys (the big ice cream seller style ones) where the duty is generally designed to only work via HCT.

The lightweight trolleys with bags on them are generally by choice/necessity. eg if the mail is heavy the trolley lightens the load.
However I was in RM when these delivery methods were introduced and these were put in as the way forward for delivery.
they are slower than using just a bag. Posties being posties they will naturally migrate to the quicker method.

Now if Pat suddenly starts using his trolley and saying he cant complete his duty in the allotted time due to using a trolley he hasn't used for the last X years. What will his managers views on that be?
If a whole office did the same? Though I can pretty much guarantee they wont have hardware for the whole office.
RM like most other companies are cool with this sort of approach day to day as it gets the work done.

Probably a more relatable method is dog pegs. If you cant see behind the letterbox then posties are meant to slot the letters inside a plastic peg and post that way.
think how much time that would add if posties started doing that.

As I said Im out of touch. Social media wasnt so prevalent when I was last involved in a dispute.
Seems the CWU has royaly cocked up. however it was RM who walked away from their previous agreement and have had months to get round the table proper. Letting it run this late in the year seems to be on them.

Pollycat

custardy wrote: »

Well its not really. Im out of date but I doubt its changed.
Excluding duties with high capacity trolleys (the big ice cream seller style ones) where the duty is generally designed to only work via HCT.

The lightweight trolleys with bags on them are generally by choice/necessity. eg if the mail is heavy the trolley lightens the load.
However I was in RM when these delivery methods were introduced and these were put in as the way forward for delivery.
they are slower than using just a bag. Posties being posties they will naturally migrate to the quicker method.

Now if Pat suddenly starts using his trolley and saying he cant complete his duty in the allotted time due to using a trolley he hasn't used for the last X years. What will his managers views on that be?
If a whole office did the same? Though I can pretty much guarantee they wont have hardware for the whole office.
RM like most other companies are cool with this sort of approach day to day as it gets the work done.

Probably a more relatable method is dog pegs. If you cant see behind the letterbox then posties are meant to slot the letters inside a plastic peg and post that way.
think how much time that would add if posties started doing that.

As I said Im out of touch. Social media wasnt so prevalent when I was last involved in a dispute.
Seems the CWU has royaly cocked up. however it was RM who walked away from their previous agreement and have had months to get round the table proper. Letting it run this late in the year seems to be on them.

The bit in bold says it all.

tomdickharry wrote: »

by the way, we are company ruled bound to also use trolley to deliver where physically possible, RM don't enforce this either as it will add hours to an average delivery duty, but now "if" we all decided to use them, they would probably deem this IA!

you get my drift as to what company i work for

So - are posties "company ruled bound to also use trolley" or aren't they?
Because if they are and are ignoring this, it is another example of RM employees ignoring rules.