HA planning CCTV to prevent flytipping - few tenants are doing this

gary83

If your finances are that stretched what if the section 20 had been issued for something like roof replacement? It could have been a lot more than £350 & would have been on this occasion we’re it not for the use of the contingency fund.

Have the houses has contributed to the HA contingency fund or is that fund only paid into by the flat owners? Your angry and being kept up at night by the thought of paying for CCTV to cover your properties bin storage area. Imagine how unfair the neighbouring house owners would feel it was if they were asked/forced to pay for CCTV of an area they have absolutely no interest in.

AdrianC

od244051 wrote: »

Another thing, the tenants in the social housing flats have no need to flytip stuff as...

NOBODY has a "need", any more than anybody ever has a "need" to do any other kind of antisocial behaviour.

They do it solely because they're lazy and don't care.

As for the cost of it and whether you agree or not - welcome to being a home owner in a shared development with managers.

od244051

gary83 wrote: »

If your finances are that stretched what if the section 20 had been issued for something like roof replacement? It could have been a lot more than £350 & would have been on this occasion we’re it not for the use of the contingency fund.

My friend had that with her block of flats - each flat paid £1500. Which they either could pay in one lump sum or split into 6, 12 or 18 months. She did the latter paying an extra £83.33 on top of her service charges. One of her friends who lives in the flats paid hers off in one lump sum as her work bonus paid it off. Her flats in a block of 12 with another block of 12. There was funds used from the contingency funds

I very much doubt many people have thousands of pounds readily accessible.

gary83

od244051 wrote: »

My friend had that with her block of flats - each flat paid £1500. Which they either could pay in one lump sum or split into 6, 12 or 18 months. She did the latter paying an extra £83.33 on top of her service charges. One of her friends who lives in the flats paid hers off in one lump sum as her work bonus paid it off. Her flats in a block of 12 with another block of 12. There was funds used from the contingency funds

I very much doubt many people have thousands of pounds readily accessible.

I think your understanding of section 20 costs based on the anecdotal evidence of 2 friends might be pretty naive. There are plenty of examples particularly in HA or ex council flats where the cost for repairs has reached thousands. Whether it’s readily available or not unfortunately that’s the downside of being a home owner, paying for maintenance is your shared responsibility.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/28/right-to-buy-repair-bills-council-tenants

NeilCr

Eddddy covered why the houses shouldn't pay in his post at #3. You confirmed that the bin store was solely for the flats

Do think the five houses who aren't illegally dumping should pay? Certainly, as Gary 83 says, if I lived in one of those houses I'd be having a say about being asked to pay for a facility I don't use - and by the sound of it have no access to

Have you told the HA who you believe is carrying out the illegal dumping?

It is common in mixed developments of flats and houses for the houses not to contribute to the 'flat only" costs

getmore4less

£1,740 a year on maintenance + £10.5k up front

How much was it costing to pay to have the rubbish cleared?

od244051

gary83 wrote: »

I think your understanding of section 20 costs based on the anecdotal evidence of 2 friends might be pretty naive. There are plenty of examples particularly in HA or ex council flats where the cost for repairs has reached thousands. Whether it’s readily available or not unfortunately that’s the downside of being a home owner, paying for maintenance is your shared responsibility.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/28/right-to-buy-repair-bills-council-tenants

NeilCr wrote: »

Eddddy covered why the houses shouldn't pay in his post at #3. You confirmed that the bin store was solely for the flats

Do think the five houses who aren't illegally dumping should pay? Certainly, as Gary 83 says, if I lived in one of those houses I'd be having a say about being asked to pay for a facility I don't use - and by the sound of it have no access to

Have you told the HA who you believe is carrying out the illegal dumping?

It is common in mixed developments of flats and houses for the houses not to contribute to the 'flat only" costs

I have mentioned to the HA about several instances of one tenants in the houses have used the bin store - one of the flat tenants leaves the door open (which is operated by a keycode lock) for them to dump their rubbish. The house tenants have their own bins, the family have four kids and can get a bigger wheelie bin as they qualify for one. A colleague has done so. Another example which I probably mentioned in the OP was there was a large cardboard box dumped full of toys and small electrical items. The box still had the address of the tenant on it. Seriously doubt anyone else was responsible.

Still no one has answered how do this HA know who dumped something via CCTV imaging?

gary83

It’s not up to either you or the HA to be judge & jury.

I think the HA are probably hoping that the CCTV acts as a deterrent to prevent any further fly tipping. hoping that whoever is doing it would just go somewhere else that isn’t covered by CCTV. Failing that if it continues they’ll at least potentially have some evidence for a successful prosecution.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

If you made the decision to buy a property in a complex which includes social housing, then you must have known that at some point the owner-occupied properties would be charged for something that the council tenants wouldn't be.


The CCTV will hopefully act as a deterrent, especially if it's backed up by stern letters to all properties explaining that the problem is being monitored.


Do you also report each incident to your Council? My Council website allows you to report fly tipping, upload an image, and note if you have a suspicion of the culprit. Keep a log of all incidents and follow them up with your councillor.

m0bov

Get dummy CCTV. Nobody will check the footage and when they do will just see people in hoods or randoms pulling up and dumping it. Can tell you that from experience. I'd only pay as long as I could see the footage for myself.