Why i HATE renters, another rant!

Cakeguts

Because I am a landlord I know that this problem has been caused by the landlord of the rented house. If any of our tenants upset the neighbours like this they would get a section 21 notice straight away.



The children next door have been excluded from school. 2 of them. It is no wonder if the parent themselves is allowing anti social behaviour. I am absolutely sure that the landlord of the property would not want to live next door to a family like this but they are quite prepared to inflict them on an older retired couple.



I have no sympathy for someone who has 5 children and then doesn't care about any of them enough to teach them manners.



There are two people to blame for this situation. The landlord and the parent next door. She needs a section 21 tomorrow.

Cakeguts

ruperts wrote: »

Struggling single parents and their children being described as "feral" and discussed as though they are a different species by an older generation arrogant and pompous enough to think that their neighbours should do their gardening for them for free. This is the result.

The children sound vulnerable and the family as a whole sounds like it needs support, not to be moaned about and insulted by entitled baby boomers who think the whole world should bend to their will.

On a more positive note, there are several tactics you can employ to make noisy neighbours more tolerable. I won't be spending my time describing them since I don't think the OP deserves it, but they are out there.

You obviously have never had contact with a family who don't care about their children and who don't care about anyone else either. We had let a house some time ago where the next door neighbour had been rehoused by the council because a house that they lived in had flooded several times. It was at the top of a hill. That family lit a bonfire in their backgarden and put a mattress on it. The flames were higher than the house and neighbours had to call the fire brigade to put it out because of the danger of it setting fire to the next door house. The houses were semis. They connected the washing machine into the surface water drain and polluted the surface water drainage because they couldn't be bothered to connect into the correct drain. There were 3 generations in the same house. 4 adults and a primary school child whose mother was one of the adults and who was a prostitute. A 3 bed house. The only reason why they were not more trouble in the neighbourhood was because they were frightened of our tenant's partner.



What you really need with a tenant like the OPs is to know someone who is perceived as a thug (they could be the nicest person on earth) who will frighten the neighbour. Hopefully they will then either do something about their behaviour or move.



This is not a vulnerable family. The school will have worked with them to prevent the children from being excluded. This is a parent who doesn't care about anyone but themselves and who only takes from society.


The landlord needs to start vetting people better to weed out these tenants from hell.

metrobus

theartfullodger wrote: »

Handle ANY neighbour issue using CaB guidance here...
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/problems-where-you-live/complaining-about-your-neighbour/


People I find the worst are smug middle-class owner/occupiers banging on about house prices all the time.



Lived next to renters for a large proportion of my life: On balance defo better than owner-occupiers.

100%

smug,liberal elitist ,up their backsides snobs have become the norm.

i am lucky since ive had the same neighbour on one side for 40 years and hes quiet as a mouse,unfortunately hes in his 80s and not in good health and i dread what i would get when the inevitable happens.

Voyager2002

knightstyle wrote: »

So as I have said before our neighbours moved abroad 4 years ago and their house has been rented out. We now have the fith single mum with unruly kids living there.
They moved in two weeks ago and we haven't had a nights sleep since. Just like the other renters she has children, five from 3 to 15 years old, the two eldest have been excluded from school and play loud war games till the early hours. The youngest wakes at about 5 and from then on the mum screams and slams doors.
I bet that just like the others she will run up debts and leave when six months is up and we will have another lot arrive.
When did this country change so much, we are retired and I well remember renting a house for years, helping elderly neighbours with their garden and trips to hospital etc. but now all we get from renters is bad language and noise.

Surely you know that the word is TENANT! There is no such word as "renter".

Anyway, the issues you describe will be costing your neighbours a fortune. I suggest that you find a GOOD letting agent near to you and write to your neighbours suggesting they use a professional to find good tenants: people who pay the bills on time, take care of the property and do not upset the neighbours. This is not difficult: I have been a landlord since 1993 and the overwhelming majority of my tenants have been fine.

Chrysalis

knightstyle wrote: »

So as I have said before our neighbours moved abroad 4 years ago and their house has been rented out. We now have the fith single mum with unruly kids living there.
They moved in two weeks ago and we haven't had a nights sleep since. Just like the other renters she has children, five from 3 to 15 years old, the two eldest have been excluded from school and play loud war games till the early hours. The youngest wakes at about 5 and from then on the mum screams and slams doors.
I bet that just like the others she will run up debts and leave when six months is up and we will have another lot arrive.
When did this country change so much, we are retired and I well remember renting a house for years, helping elderly neighbours with their garden and trips to hospital etc. but now all we get from renters is bad language and noise.

wow talk about prejudice, so all home owners are quiet, and tenants are nightmare neighbours?

Cakeguts

Chrysalis wrote: »

wow talk about prejudice, so all home owners are quiet, and tenants are nightmare neighbours?

When you are very stressed as the OP is they might write something that they might not have written had they not been so stressed. The OPs only experience of people renting has been a succession of selfish anti social people who have not been vetted properly by their landlord. Their experience of nightmare neighbours have all been anti social tenants so you can't blame them for thinking that this if fairly normal behaviour from tenants.



Instead of increasing the stress level of the OP people should be helping them to solve a highly stressful situation that is being caused by the owner of the house next door and the nasty tenant who lives there.

Carrot007

(some of) The views expessed in this trhread shows all that is wrong with the world today.


That is the want to have a easy option, a black and white choice. eg. "It's ALL renters", "It's ALL the Liberals", "It's ALL the right". Feel free to make up more of your own.


Truth is anyone who says this too often is just part of the problem, looking for a magical single thing to cure problems is never going to work. Poeple like this often end up moving onto the next item once it has becuase obvious there last single solution was wrong. AS long as this problem continues it will only get worse. People seem to have lost any empathy.


As for OP's problem. Realisticly, move. If the area has because what is sounds things are unlikely to change, yes you may get a nice neighbour next, but it sounds more the problems of an area as a whole. Things could change but it would take money. You see any councils with any these days?


For what it's worth both young parents with too many kids and retired people can both make great of nightmare neighbours. I have seen borth way occur with both.

knightstyle

Well I just had an interesting conversation with her parents who were baby sitting, meant to be till 11pm last night but she came home an hour ago, 10am!
The parents turned off the wifi at midnight so we had a quiet night, they also took the younger ones out to walk the dog so used some of the excess energy. It turns out she had to be evicted from her last place as she used the rent money to pay some fines for not sending the older two to the special school which they were meant to go to for just two mornings a week.
Now the parents have gone and we are back to shouting, door slamming etc.
Plus it seems her parents helped top up the council grant? for her deposit on this house.
The owners do not care, they live abroad and it was his dads house till he moved over there to live with them. The agent is well known for housing troublesome tenants and not doing anything about it.

To other posters, yes we have had our share of problems, bought in August 1988 for £130k, worth £100k four months later, 14% interest on mortgage, redundancy 3 times all in a short time!
This house we cannot sell for the price paid in 2006 no we did not over pay.
So started looking at renting in another town but will have to top up as house next door, same as ours, is £650 a month, spacious 4 bed town house with great views and detached garage.

Durban

Cakeguts wrote: »

Because I am a landlord I know that this problem has been caused by the landlord of the rented house. If any of our tenants upset the neighbours like this they would get a section 21 notice straight away.



The children next door have been excluded from school. 2 of them. It is no wonder if the parent themselves is allowing anti social behaviour. I am absolutely sure that the landlord of the property would not want to live next door to a family like this but they are quite prepared to inflict them on an older retired couple.



I have no sympathy for someone who has 5 children and then doesn't care about any of them enough to teach them manners.



There are two people to blame for this situation. The landlord and the parent next door. She needs a section 21 tomorrow.

Definitely this.

I am also a landlord and all my tenants go through vetting.
All the tenants have been absolutely brilliant and stayed years, except for one.

He made his neighbours life hell with his anti social behaviour , fighting and drug taking although the rent was paid on time , without fail every month , by his father.

When we got to hear about it , he got a warning first. It didn't make any difference and there was an elderly lady who lived next door to him.

He was evicted. The void period and the hassle of having to get in a new tenant was worth far more to us than the money that was coming in every month.

I also rented when I was younger and I had 3 small children. Although they were noisy , as most small children are , they were polite and well brought up and certainly not swearing at 4 years old.

OP , are you in a position to possibly rent out your home and rent somewhere else yourself for a while? Maybe you could do this for a year or two and conditions may then improve , or might then be easier to sell as market conditions may have well improved by then?

It is unfair that you are being driven out of your home by the selfishness of your neighbours , and the don't care attitude of the agent and the " I'm alright Jack " landlord.

theartfullodger

Voyager2002 wrote: »

Surely you know that the word is TENANT! There is no such word as "renter".

Anyway, the issues you describe will be costing your neighbours a fortune. I suggest that you find a GOOD letting agent near to you and write to your neighbours suggesting they use a professional to find good tenants: people who pay the bills on time, take care of the property and do not upset the neighbours. This is not difficult: I have been a landlord since 1993 and the overwhelming majority of my tenants have been fine.

Not necessarily a tenant. Could be licensee (eg temporary accommodation)