Police fine - using phone

foxy-stoat

[quote=[Deleted User];76407834]And if they refuse to provide evidence (as they’re entitled to and probably will)?[/QUOTE]

Pay up I suppose.

coffeehound

Will they provide photographic evidence for offences like this?

AdrianC

[quote=[Deleted User];76407834]And if they refuse to provide evidence (as they’re entitled to and probably will)?[/QUOTE]
They can't refuse to provide evidence.

They'll just do so in accordance with the normal disclosure rules when your court case comes round, since you'd be refusing the FPN...

TooManyPoints

They'll just do so in accordance with the normal disclosure rules when your court case comes round, since you'd be refusing the FPN...

And it will cost considerably more than £200 to settle the matter in court

SHAFT

TooManyPoints wrote: »

And it will cost considerably more than £200 to settle the matter in court

Only if convicted.

TooManyPoints

Only if convicted.

Naturally. In fact if the OP is convicted following a Not Guilty plea (the only way a conviction would be in doubt) he will be lucky to get much change out of £1,000.

Car_54

AdrianC wrote: »

They can't refuse to provide evidence.

They'll just do so in accordance with the normal disclosure rules when your court case comes round, since you'd be refusing the FPN...

But foxy-stoat was suggesting asking now, not when court proceeding s have stamrted.

TooManyPoints

But foxy-stoat was suggesting asking now, not when court proceeding s have stamrted.

Yes, that's the way I read it. All the OP can do (if he has been asked to identify the driver, which we still don't know) is to ask for "photographs to help identify the driver". They don't have to provide them (in fact there may not even be any if he was observed by a police officer who pursued the matter) and it does not stop the clock on the 28 days he has to respond. The only time he will be sure of seeing evidence against him is if he refused a fixed penalty (if one is offered) and opts for a court hearing. Before then he will be served with the evidence the police intend to rely on to convict him in order that he might decide on his plea.

SallyDucati

TooManyPoints wrote: »

Courses are not offered for mobile phone offences. If you are offered a fixed penalty it will be £200 and six penalty points. If the matter goes to court and you are convicted you face an income related fine, a surcharge of 10% of the fine and £85 costs (if you plead guilty). You will also receive the same six points there. A disqualification is possible but extremely unlikely.

You can do a course for mobile phone offences - when I did a speed awareness course recently I met some people in the car park who were doing a mobile phone one at the same place.

Car_54

TooManyPoints wrote: »

Yes, that's the way I read it. All the OP can do (if he has been asked to identify the driver, which we still don't know) is to ask for "photographs to help identify the driver". They don't have to provide them (in fact there may not even be any if he was observed by a police officer who pursued the matter) and it does not stop the clock on the 28 days he has to respond. The only time he will be sure of seeing evidence against him is if he refused a fixed penalty (if one is offered) and opts for a court hearing. Before then he will be served with the evidence the police intend to rely on to convict him in order that he might decide on his plea.

AIUI he will not get the evidence before he has pleaded NG.