eBay max £1 selling fees. Small print "exclusions" question.

vacheron

Thanks again everyone.

So a GTC listing is effectively a 30 day (but more accurately "monthly", thanks Soolin) rolling listing that just endlessly repeats. And as long as the item has not previously been AUTOMATICALLY re-listed, then it should will qualify for the promotion.

So trying to digest all the above, which has been very useful, I assume that means that an item which has been previously listed on a 10 day auction, ended naturally without a sale, and then has been MANUALLY re-listed after sitting in my "unsold items" list for a few weeks should qualify? (or would the historical audit trail have to be broken by using "sell similar" instead)?

I'm sorry for these endless specifics, I'm not normally this kind of poster and usually wouldn't care less about saving the FVF's for my daily ebay sales, but these particular items (which I have previoulsly posted about here on MSE in regards to capital gains tax implications if they they were all to sell), could result in more than £1400 of eBay FVF's so i hope you can understand why I am being a bit paranoid in this instance!

mgdavid

All good questions!
Personally I'm not sure about ebay's internal item audit capabilities so to be safe I use 'sell similar' and do a minor edit either in the title or description, sometimes the price as well.

soolin

vacheron wrote: »

Thanks again everyone.

So a GTC listing is effectively a 30 day (but more accurately "monthly", thanks Soolin) rolling listing that just endlessly repeats. And as long as the item has not previously been AUTOMATICALLY re-listed, then it should will qualify for the promotion.

So trying to digest all the above, which has been very useful, I assume that means that an item which has been previously listed on a 10 day auction, ended naturally without a sale, and then has been MANUALLY re-listed after sitting in my "unsold items" list for a few weeks should qualify? (or would the historical audit trail have to be broken by using "sell similar" instead)?

I'm sorry for these endless specifics, I'm not normally this kind of poster and usually wouldn't care less about saving the FVF's for my daily ebay sales, but these particular items (which I have previoulsly posted about here on MSE in regards to capital gains tax implications if they they were all to sell), could result in more than £1400 of eBay FVF's so i hope you can understand why I am being a bit paranoid in this instance!

Yes as long as you manually relist it is fine. You can even end current listings and relist immediately.

You can always check your item qualifies by seeing how many items you have listed from the total allowed, listing and then going back to check the numbers left on your offer.

Incidentally, I really really would think carefully about selling high end items on eBay if you are unused to it. Are you absolutely sure you know how to post these items to cover you, and how claims for damage or significantly not as described claims work? Have you also factored in PayPal fees which will be considerable and which are almost certainly going to be held for at least 21 days ?

lindens

soolin wrote: »

Yes as long as you manually relist it is fine. You can even end current listings and relist immediately.

You can always check your item qualifies by seeing how many items you have listed from the total allowed, listing and then going back to check the numbers left on your offer.

Incidentally, I really really would think carefully about selling high end items on eBay if you are unused to it. Are you absolutely sure you know how to post these items to cover you, and how claims for damage or significantly not as described claims work? Have you also factored in PayPal fees which will be considerable and which are almost certainly going to be held for at least 21 days ?

Soolin makes a good point - just read recent scammed! posts on here. Re-read all the stickies at the top of the page to protect yourself

vacheron

Cheers both for the warnings and they are certainly worth the heads up!

Without wishing to tempt fate I'm pretty confident I've got things covered on that front. I've been selling on eBay since 2001 with over 700 sales during that time, with a good few of these being of a similar or higher value over the years and am well aware of all the classic scam approaches.

I accept shipping, GSP purchases and PayPal on all my other items, but every one of these particular items are 10% BACS deposit with cash on collection. I have also offered to personally deliver within a 50 mile radius with payment in cash when they have seen the kit in operation and are 100% satisfied.

Shipping is strongly advised against in my the auction description, but as not everyone will be local it is listed at £70 in order to include the £2500 insurance which each shipment will require.

A further comfort is that this is highly specific industrial electronic test equipment, not easily resellable valuables like jewelry, art or watches.

Each item looks extremely dated, complicated and cumbersome and 99.9% of the general population will not even know what it is.
Of that 0.1%, 90% of those will not know how to operate it, and of those, probably less than 10% will actually have a NEED for it unless they own about another £1,000,000 worth of partnering equipment! :rotfl:

I am therefore convinced that it will end up selling to a large established company or re-seller in this specific field who keep an eye out on eBay for bargains, either that or an EXTREMELY keen amateur!

soolin

but every one of these particular items are 10% BACS deposit with cash on collection

As long as you understand that you can't insist on cash nor a deposit and your listing will always show 'paypal preferred'. Obviously no one can force you to sell if someone pays by paypal and expects to collect (as ebay rules allow) but the sticky thread explains why this still can backfire.

I didn't realise you were used to ebay- the fact that you didn't know about the BIN changes, nor understood the terms used in the FVF offer made me think you were a newbie.

Unless you usually sell very high end items though your paypal funds are stilllikely to be held for 21 days - so factor that it when listing.

vacheron

soolin wrote: »

As long as you understand that you can't insist on cash nor a deposit and your listing will always show 'paypal preferred'. Obviously no one can force you to sell if someone pays by paypal and expects to collect (as ebay rules allow) but the sticky thread explains why this still can backfire.

Yes, I have PayPal listed for that very reason (that it is simply unavoidable), but I don't think that the potential buyers of these items will be the kind not to read the description, make unreasonable demands, or not make contact with me first before bidding. If all that fails there is always the mutual cancellation options to fall back on.

soolin wrote: »

I didn't realise you were used to ebay- the fact that you didn't know about the BIN changes, nor understood the terms used in the FVF offer made me think you were a newbie.

Ouch! and I used to like you too! :rotfl:

While probably a fair assumption, in my defense I am not a business seller so don't keep right on top of all new developments. All my sales are items I have personally owned which I am in no rush to sell, and I find by far the most profitable method that works for me is to pick a high(ish) BIN based on equivalent sold prices, add a best offer with auto reject set to about 70%, add a greater than average number of highly detailed photos, and a more detailed than average description and then just "put them out to pasture".

This means almost every auction I list was a 30 day BIN.... then a 30 day BIN with auto Relist... then a GTC when that became available

I have simply not had any need to consider a shorter duration listing until now hence the reason why the removal of the 30 day BIN passed me by unnoticed.

soolin wrote: »

Unless you usually sell very high end items though your paypal funds are stilllikely to be held for 21 days - so factor that it when listing.

Good to know, but that wouldn't be a concern. I've had this equipment sitting in storage for almost 15 years and wouldn't mind if they took 2, 3 or more years to sell, so 21 days to release the funds will not make any appreciable difference.

I've received payments of between £4-£8K on a couple of occasions over the last couple of years, and they have arrived immediately, so maybe I am already on their good boy list!