VW Group keyless security?

Scrapit

Not a vag issue, it effects most manufacturers. Not really sure of the point of keyless entry.

Frozen_up_north

neilmcl wrote: »

Not true at all. The only ones where this is possible is cars with keyless entry systems.

Try buying a new car without keyless entry! Virtually all new cars are now keyless and susceptible to a relay box equipped thief.

neilmcl

Frozen_up_north wrote: »

Try buying a new car without keyless entry! Virtually all new cars are now keyless and susceptible to a relay box equipped thief.

No they're not. Are you sure you're not confusing proper keyless entry with the simple keyless ignition.

JohnDorian

DUTR wrote: »

What problem?
Do you put a key in the door and turn it to enter the car?
I thought not...so on that logic most modern cars are keyless entry, some cars are push button start and the key can be left in a bag or pocket (is that the type you mean?)

Sadly all the folk I know who have had there car stolen have the type that you put the key in the ignition to start it.
You can buy additional deterents to hinder the car being taken but none are 100% at the end of the day if they want it they can steal it.

No, not most cars are keyless entry by your logic. While my X3 does not require a physical key to be inserted into the door, it does require a button on the key to be pressed for the door to open. Therefore, it is not really keyless entry because a physical key is actually required. There are quite a few cars like that.

EssexExile

Frozen_up_north wrote: »

Try buying a new car without keyless entry! Virtually all new cars are now keyless and susceptible to a relay box equipped thief.

It's usually an added cost extra, so people are paying to have a car that is easier to steal.

DUTR

JohnDorian wrote: »

No, not most cars are keyless entry by your logic. While my X3 does not require a physical key to be inserted into the door, it does require a button on the key to be pressed for the door to open. Therefore, it is not really keyless entry because a physical key is actually required. There are quite a few cars like that.

Most if not all modern cars are like that, hence keyless entry to the vehicle, and then the keyless start what I think some are trying to refer to, as mentioned many modern vulnerable cars are in effect keyless if they ca be started by the OBD port (often the ones with stop start system) in fact my MK5 Golf although it took a key to start , the operation was not the same as say a car 10 years it's senior.
A said cars aren't suddenly being stolen due to keyless entry keyless start systems, they have always been stolen by one method or another.

Johno100

DUTR wrote: »

A said cars aren't suddenly being stolen due to keyless entry keyless start systems, they have always been stolen by one method or another.

So what do you put the recent increase in car theft, after years of the figures dropping, down to?

DUTR

Johno100 wrote: »

So what do you put the recent increase in car theft, after years of the figures dropping, down to?

BREXIT, it has a lot to answer for.
As you have mentioned the figure have varied which means the problem has always been there in some guise or another.

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Beat me to it, I was going to say Brexit too. (Everything is now because of Brexit. It used to be the weather....)

davemorton

Keyless entry/start has been around for at least 15 years, some people seem to think it is a fairly new product to have on a car.