A Question for Tory Supporters

MisterMotivated

Arklight wrote: »

Absolutely. Let's hate the benefit claimants. We don't know who they are, or where they live, or anything about them, but they're doubtless taking your money somehow.

I know plenty of them. I grew up surrounded by them; I'm sad to say they even included members of my extended family. I get that there are plenty of groups in society who genuinely need help and I accept that 100%, but I've seen more than my fair share of those who simply don't want to work, so they fire out another kid or two (or four or five), or find another way to play the system. For example, I had the pleasure of working with a man a number of years ago. We were both in temporary agency roles, though I hoped it would be a way into a permanent job. He, on the other hand, openly declared multiple times that he only wanted to work there for 13 weeks so he could sign on as a new claimant for JSA. To be fair, I believe he actually worked there for just over 14 weeks, so I guess my criticism of him is completely unfair. I could go on for ages but I doubt you even care; I expect you just want to criticise me for not donating my entire salary to support a 72-year-old disabled immigrant with 9 children and terminal halitosis.

And don't worry yourself in the least if you have a turn of bad luck, sickness where you can't work, a disabled child, or your get old. Bojo has got your back.

Having taken steps to try to secure my future as far as possible with my limited resources, I'd still need to burn through savings and assets worth a six figure sum before I'd actually qualify for any of the benefits you say I'm likely to need.

MisterMotivated

Arklight wrote: »

Yes those awful workshy immigrants. The ones who look after your kids, clean your streets, serve your coffee, pick up after you, wash your cars, mow your lawns, wipe your backsides when you are too old to do it yourself, and march into your factories every morning at 6am.

I'm concerned at how your view of immigrants seems to be that they are only capable of holding low-skilled postions, mostly involving manual labour. Shame on you!

Fran_Klee

Arklight wrote: »

Yes those awful workshy immigrants. The ones who look after your kids,

Which ones would those be Arky? Not that I would mind but not one teacher or assistant at our school is an immigrant, and nobody else other than family looks after my kids.

Arklight wrote: »

clean your streets

Nope, nobody whatsoever does that here. The council workers I've spoken to (admittedly only a few 'coz you rarely see them) are British.

Arklight wrote: »

serve your coffee

Get real! My OH might do this sometimes but I serve myself.

Arklight wrote: »

pick up after you,

I'm beginning to wonder what planet you're on, or if you think I'm a celeb of some sort? Generally the only person that picks up after me is me. If it's ever my OH, I soon know about it.

Arklight wrote: »

mow your lawns,

Eh? I mow my own lawn; the exercise is good for me I'm told.

Arklight wrote: »

wipe your backsides when you are too old to do it yourself,

Statistically the chances of that are very low, much lower than me wiping my own ta muchly for your concern.

Arklight wrote: »

and march into your factories every morning at 6am.

Two thoughts here:
1/ I have factories? Ah, that's how I afford all these staff I suppose. :rotfl:
2/ Hang on, according to you we don't really make anything any more so what are these "factories" of which you speak?

Arklight wrote: »

Thank God they are going. Things will certainly get better when you are doing all this like a proper Brit.

They aren't going though, are they?
But if we can stop more arriving "on spec" and claiming to be self-employed car cleaners & nail manicurists so that they can claim, that cannot be a bad thing for the whole country.
Including you.

NeilCr

Suspect it all depends on where you live when it comes to teachers being non uk born

London is around 25-30% whereas the country as a whole is around 9-12%

Where I live we have quite a few people from Eastern Europe. In terms of council staff - certainly a couple of our bin men are Polish - and chatting to street cleaners a few of them are Eastern European. A lot of the staff in care homes (not sure whether private or council). are, too.

Jonathan_Kelvin

Herzlos wrote: »

But then you're probably more likely to become needy than super wealthy.

Theres loads of other labour things you'll benefit from as a middle earner too, like a better funded NHS.

How so? Tax receipts were likely to crash if Labour won, and interest rates for sovereign debt would spike, so where do you think that this money would have come from?

His plan was to tax people like me to pay for it, but the calculations used ignored the way that people would respond to these tax changes by for example moving tax residence or bringing forward retirement. This makes the numbers worthless.

triathlon

Arklight wrote: »

Yes those awful workshy immigrants. The ones who look after your kids, clean your streets, serve your coffee, pick up after you, wash your cars, mow your lawns, wipe your backsides when you are too old to do it yourself, and march into your factories every morning at 6am.

Thank God they are going. Things will certainly get better when you are doing all this like a proper Brit.

Hey, it is not the Eastern Europeans I have a problem with, I would allow another 3 million in tomorrow if I had the power

triathlon

Tromking wrote: »

The last couple of posts conveniently flags up the problem for Labour, namely the left’s obsession with the concerns of immigrants and those on welfare. If that obsession was married to similar concerns about the wants and needs of the white aspirational working class, they’d be quids in.
Just like Arky, Labour cannot get over its hatred of those people who voted Brexit.

Top marks for trying to reason with them, but you are wasting your time, just laugh at them like I do:)
Yes there are disadvantaged in the UK, but they are not the people these people shed faux tears for

triathlon

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Which ones would those be Arky? Not that I would mind but not one teacher or assistant at our school is an immigrant, and nobody else other than family looks after my kids.


Nope, nobody whatsoever does that here. The council workers I've spoken to (admittedly only a few 'coz you rarely see them) are British.


Get real! My OH might do this sometimes but I serve myself.


I'm beginning to wonder what planet you're on, or if you think I'm a celeb of some sort? Generally the only person that picks up after me is me. If it's ever my OH, I soon know about it.


Eh? I mow my own lawn; the exercise is good for me I'm told.


Statistically the chances of that are very low, much lower than me wiping my own ta muchly for your concern.


Two thoughts here:
1/ I have factories? Ah, that's how I afford all these staff I suppose. :rotfl:
2/ Hang on, according to you we don't really make anything any more so what are these "factories" of which you speak?


They aren't going though, are they?
But if we can stop more arriving "on spec" and claiming to be self-employed car cleaners & nail manicurists so that they can claim, that cannot be a bad thing for the whole country.
Including you.

10/10:T

It's hard to believe that we had a convincing GE win just before Xmas the way some people think and talk. Yes there are victims in the UK, and they are getting up 6 am, working 50 plus hour weeks, and when applying for council housing are laughed at and fobbed off because Tracy with her not on the scene Dad/Dads and 5 kids and Mr Ali with zero skills and jobs are kicking up a fuss because they have little room in the council homes they did get.

ffacoffipawb

triathlon wrote: »

Top marks for trying to reason with them, but you are wasting your time, just laugh at them like I do:)
Yes there are disadvantaged in the UK, but they are not the people these people shed faux tears for

If Corbyn had won the election we would all be eating each other by now.

Herzlos

MisterMotivated wrote: »

Having taken steps to try to secure my future as far as possible with my limited resources, I'd still need to burn through savings and assets worth a six figure sum before I'd actually qualify for any of the benefits you say I'm likely to need.

It's easier done than you'd think. Divorce, illness, bad financial decision.

With 6 figures of assets you're closer to £0 than having 8 figures of assets.