A Question for Tory Supporters

MisterMotivated

triathlon wrote: »

The day a new John Smith comes onto the scene will be the day I might go back to Labour. I am all for looking after the dis-advantaged and needy, but I am troubled by the types of people today's Labour class as dis-advantaged. When they start talking about the virtues of hard work and looking after business and using welfare as a safety net rather the a lifestyle, then we can talk.

This is partly why I didn't vote Labour. We seemed to have the choice between more help for the rich, or more help for the needy. As I'm neither rich, nor needy (i.e. average salary, no kids, made an effort to save for my future, therefore would not qualify for any benefits beyond the basic contributions-based JSA should the worst happen), I felt quite torn. And, whilst helping the needy seems admirable, the apparent definition of "needy" by Labour is frankly laughable. At least voting tory, I feel like there's a chance my efforts to better myself might actually pay off in the long run, rather than simply meaning I end up paying more to keep career benefits claimants in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

Tromking

Northern England’s time has come, the Tories are finished if they don't spend the next five years coughing up cash in order to be able to point at stuff in 2024 and say look at what we’ve done.
Despite the likes of Arky saying otherwise, BJ is not viewed as some sort of 21st century Thatcher clone, but rather a liberal minded antidote to the identity obsessed hard left who hate the white aspirational working classes anyway.
Labour are nowhere near understanding the sea-change that has just happened in English politics.

Herzlos

MisterMotivated wrote: »

This is partly why I didn't vote Labour. We seemed to have the choice between more help for the rich, or more help for the needy. As I'm neither rich, nor needy (i.e. average salary, no kids, made an effort to save for my future, therefore would not qualify for any benefits beyond the basic contributions-based JSA should the worst happen), I felt quite torn. And, whilst helping the needy seems admirable, the apparent definition of "needy" by Labour is frankly laughable. At least voting tory, I feel like there's a chance my efforts to better myself might actually pay off in the long run, rather than simply meaning I end up paying more to keep career benefits claimants in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

But then you're probably more likely to become needy than super wealthy.

Theres loads of other labour things you'll benefit from as a middle earner too, like a better funded NHS.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

But then you're probably more likely to become needy than super wealthy.

Theres loads of other labour things you'll benefit from as a middle earner too, like a better funded NHS.

Eh? :question:

triathlon

Tromking wrote: »

Northern England’s time has come, the Tories are finished if they don't spend the next five years coughing up cash in order to be able to point at stuff in 2024 and say look at what we’ve done.
Despite the likes of Arky saying otherwise, BJ is not viewed as some sort of 21st century Thatcher clone, but rather a liberal minded antidote to the identity obsessed hard left who hate the white aspirational working classes anyway.
Labour are nowhere near understanding the sea-change that has just happened in English politics.

I am not from the north, SW London boy moved on, but I am totally with you, it's about time we started spreading the wealth over the whole country, and I think Boris has it in him to just that. You might not agree with me though, but HS2 is not really money well spent, can you imagine what the UK could have done with £100 Billion pumped into housing in one form or another for working people

triathlon

Herzlos wrote: »

But then you're probably more likely to become needy than super wealthy.

Theres loads of other labour things you'll benefit from as a middle earner too, like a better funded NHS.

Look, you vote for who you want and we will vote for who we want, we have heard all the arguments and most of us just don't buy the "Tories are evil, Labour are good argument".. Yes I hate mass tax evasion and yes wealth is not evenly distributed, but it would not of helped me if something had been done about it and given to work shy immigrants who give nothing to the country accept more off spring.

Arklight

MisterMotivated wrote: »

This is partly why I didn't vote Labour. We seemed to have the choice between more help for the rich, or more help for the needy. As I'm neither rich, nor needy (i.e. average salary, no kids, made an effort to save for my future, therefore would not qualify for any benefits beyond the basic contributions-based JSA should the worst happen), I felt quite torn. And, whilst helping the needy seems admirable, the apparent definition of "needy" by Labour is frankly laughable. At least voting tory, I feel like there's a chance my efforts to better myself might actually pay off in the long run, rather than simply meaning I end up paying more to keep career benefits claimants in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

Absolutely. Let's hate the benefit claimants. We don't know who they are, or where they live, or anything about them, but they're doubtless taking your money somehow. And don't worry yourself in the least if you have a turn of bad luck, sickness where you can't work, a disabled child, or your get old. Bojo has got your back.

Arklight

triathlon wrote: »

Look, you vote for who you want and we will vote for who we want, we have heard all the arguments and most of us just don't buy the "Tories are evil, Labour are good argument".. Yes I hate mass tax evasion and yes wealth is not evenly distributed, but it would not of helped me if something had been done about it and given to work shy immigrants who give nothing to the country accept more off spring.

Yes those awful workshy immigrants. The ones who look after your kids, clean your streets, serve your coffee, pick up after you, wash your cars, mow your lawns, wipe your backsides when you are too old to do it yourself, and march into your factories every morning at 6am.

Thank God they are going. Things will certainly get better when you are doing all this like a proper Brit.

Herzlos

triathlon wrote: »

Look, you vote for who you want and we will vote for who we want, we have heard all the arguments and most of us just don't buy the "Tories are evil, Labour are good argument".. Yes I hate mass tax evasion and yes wealth is not evenly distributed, but it would not of helped me if something had been done about it and given to work shy immigrants who give nothing to the country accept more off spring.

Work shy immigrants don't get anything, and the money stolen from the state via tax evasion is orders of magnitude higher than the money stolen from the state via benefit fraud. In fact benefit fraid is supposedly lower than unclaimed benefits entitlement.

So I can confidently say you could execute all the spongers and we'd still be no better off. Potentially we'd be worse off as those spongers will be spending their entire benefits payment in the local economy.

Tromking

The last couple of posts conveniently flags up the problem for Labour, namely the left’s obsession with the concerns of immigrants and those on welfare. If that obsession was married to similar concerns about the wants and needs of the white aspirational working class, they’d be quids in.
Just like Arky, Labour cannot get over its hatred of those people who voted Brexit.