In work poverty due to overpriced housing costs

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

At the moment I’m working from home so I’m not commuting,

Or this?

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

lisyloo

pickledonionspaceraider wrote: »

Again with the responding to a point that hasn't been said.....

Right back at ya.
I never initially said anything about disabled people. We were talking about people who won’t work (I’ve been in between jobs myself a few times).

You are entitled to different opinions, so I’ll leave the discussion there, but I’m far from alone in thinking there is some unfairness.

The examples I’d cite are hardworking people having horrible commutes, poor living conditions and being restricted to a small number of children due to childcare costs whilst those who won’t work can have as many kids as they like.

None of those issues affect me personally FWIW - it’s just a widely shared opinion.

I felt Tory austerity had gone too far and certainly have compassion for those who can’t work but it has to be noted that the tories have just had a massive landslide.

In real life I find I’m far more sympathetic to people on benefits than most people I meet.

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

Right back at ya.


I never initially said anything about disabled people. We were talking about people who won’t work (I’ve been in between jobs myself a few times).

I know you didn't. I never accused you of this.
You were moaning about the unemployed, and I merely said that a large population of those unemployed are unable to work due to ill health. I know you were not slating the disabled/folk in ill health as a group, but part of the larger group you were complaining about IS the disabled/folk in ill health.




You are entitled to different opinions, so I’ll leave the discussion there, but I’m far from alone in thinking there is some unfairness.

The examples I’d cite are hardworking people having horrible commutes, poor living conditions and being restricted to a small number of children due to childcare costs whilst those who won’t work can have as many kids as they like.


There will always be the exception to the rule that media like the Sun or Daily Mail will focus on, but other than the rare exception,it is easy to overgeneralise on groups for the media fed population

BUT I do get your point - and indeed the point of the thread, which is about the working poor.

I can understand why full time minimum wage workers are fed up....when you have paid your bills, the money is gone. I know all about it

It is a slog, and I don't know the answers to it....Other, than Human Beings are not physiologically designed to do what we do..We are just a product of our hunter gatherer ancestry, pushed along by the various revolutions to make ourselves the superior species

We are square pegs trying to hammer ourselves into round holes... Something just doesn't quite 'go'

We aren't built to be corporate clones

Mental health issues are on the rise in a huge way. Even those who seem to have it all, seem to have this nagging underlying feeling.

People in prison spend less time working than those of us outside. Why don't we utilize the prisoners to more normal working pattern, have them working 12 hour shifts with one lunch break. Now if we want to talk about one section of society that are getting an easy break, that certainly don't deserve one, let's talk about prisoners






None of those issues affect me personally FWIW - it’s just a widely shared opinion.


I felt Tory austerity had gone too far and certainly have compassion for those who can’t work but it has to be noted that the tories have just had a massive landslide.

In real life I find I’m far more sympathetic to people on benefits than most people I meet.

Unless you are very rich, you are only one job loss away from being on benefits yourself. I hope you aren't, but none of us are bullet proof

Have a nice day.

triathlon

pickledonionspaceraider wrote: »

What a blinkered attitude this is. Sorry, but it really appears that persons with these thoughts, do not see what life is like for others

Many of the long term unemployed, have illnesses that means they cannot work and they don't have the privileged of good health. You cannot even get on the higher rungs of social housing lists, without a health condition

By the grace of god, go you, that you have never been in this situation

Many of the people in social housing have never had the same life opportunities as you (the general 'you') have had, and furthermore have family going back generations around London.

But you would like to force people to move home into shared accommodation, because 'you' chose to work in their area.

It is the commuters who are the trespassers, not the people who have lived there all their lives.

HS2 is a joke. It should be scrapped, costing billions that we should be spending on rehousing desperate homeless people and the old soldiers.

HS2 is just furthermore making this country London-centric.

It seems ludicrous for someone who commutes to London to feel they can lay a claim to it, feeling more entitled than someone who has had less opportunity than they....

Shame some people think this way.

What over emotional nonsense.

I am the biggest fan of the welfare state, sadly it might well come under threat because of many of the people claiming it. I have read enough Charles Dickens novel to appreciate how wonderful a system is that takes care of the ill, frail and weak or people who have been stuck with adversity in their lives, but I have seen far too many people over the years abuse the system and even treat it as a lifestyle choice and family plan around it.

I could quite easily see many of the real cases pm welfare getting double the money plus if it wasn't for the people who are ripping us off.

Crashy_Time

AG47 wrote: »

The new high speed trains are supposed to help mor people live away from London and still work there, but will they happen in our lifetimes?

No because if they start realising that there is a world outside London that they can escape to many won`t come back, even to work.

pickledonionspaceraider

triathlon wrote: »

What over emotional nonsense.

I am the biggest fan of the welfare state, sadly it might well come under threat because of many of the people claiming it. I have read enough Charles Dickens novel to appreciate how wonderful a system is that takes care of the ill, frail and weak or people who have been stuck with adversity in their lives, but I have seen far too many people over the years abuse the system and even treat it as a lifestyle choice and family plan around it.

I could quite easily see many of the real cases pm welfare getting double the money plus if it wasn't for the people who are ripping us off.

Under threat?

The NHS is currently more under threat than the Welfare system.

I don't enjoy the idea of a Wayne and Waynetta Slob type, that the media like to portray.....but I have never met anyone like this IRL, and I have lived my entire life on council estates. I have never personally met anyone who treats benefits as a lifestyle choice.

Benefit monies literally barely put food on the table - it is not sustainable long term, and nor is it meant to be (for able bodied)

I think programmes on TV etc just whip up images that for good TV viewing figures and although those types of people do exist, - are not commonplace.

In any system, there will always be the minority of pee takers, don't you think? and what to do we do to weed them out?

It is a hard one really

pickledonionspaceraider

Crashy_Time wrote: »

No because if they start realising that there is a world outside London that they can escape to many won`t come back, even to work.

I don't understand this notion that the world revolves around London at all

Zero_Sum

Its quite shocking that posters are advocating social cleansing of the big cities.
Housing would be less of an issue if there were less centralisation & more jobs in the provinces.

MobileSaver

Zero_Sum wrote: »

Its quite shocking that posters are advocating social cleansing of the big cities.

I find it much more shocking that some people feel they are entitled to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world and have someone else pay for it...

pickledonionspaceraider

MobileSaver wrote: »

I find it much more shocking that some people feel they are entitled to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world and have someone else pay for it...

Can you point me in the direction of where this is said?