In work poverty due to overpriced housing costs

triathlon

Jonathan_Kelvin wrote: »

As well as that we should look at moving long-term unemployed out of the major cities. It is ludicrous that weary commuters trek to work each day, walking past the houses of people who don’t and likely will never work.

Or want to work.

Only two types of people in London these days, either very well paid or can't work/won't work types with 3 plus children living off the state, I think your idea is good.

Scotland seems keen to take them on

calicocat

Jonathan_Kelvin wrote: »

As well as that we should look at moving long-term unemployed out of the major cities. It is ludicrous that weary commuters trek to work each day, walking past the houses of people who don’t and likely will never work.

:eek::eek:


No.......

I chose to not live in a city to escape lots of people in my view/way, making my life harder and more irritating, clogging up my area.

Keep them yourself, we don’t want them. Why should we have them .

Kit1

westernpromise wrote: »

Direct taxes are a lot less than 30 years ago.

In 1985 the average wage was just under £7,000 and you lost 27% of that in tax and NI. Today it's about £29,000 (£2,000 more than just inflation) and you only lose 20%. If you have a student loan you'd pay 23% (in 1985 you lost 27% same as graduates even if you'd got there without a degree).

Other things have gone up, eg VAT and house prices, but other things have come down, eg phone bills, film rentals and mortgage rates. Some things cost about the same (a Golf GTi) but are far better.

Don't forget we also had the poll tax where every adult was taxed and interest rates went upto around 15%. We had just bought our very first house (a tiny terrace house as that was all we could afford) when these all came into play and it was hard because all our wages went on our mortgage, poll tax and bills and food with nothing left for anything else.

bigpappa

When everything becomes a makrket there are winners and losers depending on the rules of the market.

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

Totally agree with that.
Plenty of long term unemployed and social housing in central London.

I would go even further a provide shared accommodation.

It wouldn’t provide for millions though.

What a blinkered attitude this is. Sorry, but it really appears that persons with these thoughts, do not see what life is like for others

Many of the long term unemployed, have illnesses that means they cannot work and they don't have the privileged of good health. You cannot even get on the higher rungs of social housing lists, without a health condition

By the grace of god, go you, that you have never been in this situation

Many of the people in social housing have never had the same life opportunities as you (the general 'you') have had, and furthermore have family going back generations around London.

But you would like to force people to move home into shared accommodation, because 'you' chose to work in their area.

It is the commuters who are the trespassers, not the people who have lived there all their lives.

HS2 is a joke. It should be scrapped, costing billions that we should be spending on rehousing desperate homeless people and the old soldiers.

HS2 is just furthermore making this country London-centric.

It seems ludicrous for someone who commutes to London to feel they can lay a claim to it, feeling more entitled than someone who has had less opportunity than they....

Shame some people think this way.

lisyloo

I think I have a good idea what life is like for others with several disabled family members and one unable to do anything at all.
The questions is what taxpayers (as a whole) are willing to pay for.

I lived in shared accommodation as a student.
It was fine.
The situation that commuters face every day are far worse than what I’m proposing.


I don’t chose where I live actually, I don’t have that privilege, so in that respect you are out of touch. Actually I live away from my home in order to find work.

I don’t commute into London BTW.

If I’m a trespasser for working in london, then what would you prefer me to do, become long term unemployed??? Or would you actually prefer me to get “on my bike” become economically mobile and actually work.

Unbelievable that people who actually work are being criticised.
The conditions that commuters face are FAR worse that shared accommodation.

Don’t assume everyone has the privilege of choice. Many don’t.
Mnany generations of our family have moved for work because they HAD to.
Better to do that then just refuse surely??

Make up you mind, whether we should work or travel but not all of us can find a job around the corner our whole lives.

It’s an out of touch view that we all have the privilege of choice where we work especially if families are involved where a spouses job and children’s schools affect the decision.

I am amused that you think it’s fine for hard working people to get their private parts squashed every day on the tube but horror of horrors to suggest anyone not working has to share a kitchen.

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

I think I have a good idea what life is like for others with several disabled family members and one unable to do anything at all.

I am sorry to hear this re your family members. .
I am even more surprised by your previous comments, then

The questions is what taxpayers (as a whole) are willing to pay for I am glad we live in a country where we help the less fortunate. It could be me needs help one day, it even could be you. .

I lived in shared accommodation as a student.
It was fine. So does everyone, for that short period of time, as a student. Not everyone gets to go to Uni.

The situation that commuters face every day are far worse than what I’m proposing.


I don’t chose where I live actually, I don’t have that privilege, Are you able bodied?so in that respect you are out of touch. Actually I live away from my home in order to find work.
I don’t commute into London BTW. Not sure why you are commenting then, TBF

If I’m a trespasser for working in london, then what would you prefer me to do, become long term unemployed??? Or would you actually prefer me to get “on my bike” become economically mobile and actually work.Well that is a moot point, you don't commute to London. Either you are taking my comments as the general 'you' as were intended - or the literal. You, cannot keep swapping and changing.

Unbelievable that people who actually work are being criticised. Where did you read that?

The conditions that commuters face are FAR worse that shared accommodation.I have no words here for this.

Don’t assume everyone has the privilege of choice. Many don’t.
Mnany generations of our family have moved for work because they HAD to.
Better to do that then just refuse surely??Over the [I]many generations[/I], did it not occur to a single member of your family to start making some smart choices? Generations means this has been going on for decade after decade with everyone not changing anything

Make up you mind, whether we should work or travel but not all of us can find a job around the corner our whole lives. Jobs for life don’t exist anymore so you’re out of touch on that pointI never actually made the 'job for life' point. Your cobbled together thoughts and accusations come across as if you are responding to an entirely different thread.

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lisyloo

I think you are getting the wrong idea about what I was proposing.
It’s
Just to be clear I’m talking about healthy, able-bodied people who won’t work, educate or train long term. Not those in between jobs or sick or disabled.

I was not suggesting wheelchair bound or paraplegic people are treated uncompassionately.
Many unemployed will be young and able bodied (and btw some disabled people are extremely capable and would not want to be characterized as helpless).

It is normal certainly in cities for young people investing in their career to live in houses of multiple occupation. Few are wealthy enough for their own private apartment,
This is not a punishment or uncompassionate it’s the normal standard way of living for the vast majority of young people so not sure why you are making such a fuss about this.

Of course there are people with special needs but the majority of people are able bodied.

I have not at any stage suggested we don’t help the less fortunate, in fact I didn’t vote Tory as I’m not happy with Tory austerity in this respect e.g. universal credit, bedroom tax etc,

At the moment I’m working from home so I’m not commuting, however I’m not single so I don’t have a free choice where I live. I don’t believe 10 million London workers have a completely free choice as there aren’t 10 million vacancies elsewhere.

As regards to people making smart choices, my ancestors lived in times where they only travelled as far as a bicycle could take them and available work was limited to farming and mining, so you need to take any comments about empowerment in context.
Yes I think they did make smart choices to move (for example) to a mining community when there there were mining jobs available and no farming jobs available.
People have better opportunities to better themselves now (for example the internet) but not everyone has the means to do so or capability and in some cases the willingness.

Not sure why this is such a big deal.
It’s quite normal for people to share if they live in a city.
It seems odd that you are suggesting one standard for hardworking people and another the long term unemployed (by which I mean the able not sick/disabled).

Perhaps I haven’t always expressed myself perfectly but the nub of the issue is hard working people being treated worse than the long term (able) unemployed.

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

I am amused that you think it’s fine for hard working people to get their private parts squashed every day on the tube but horror of horrors to suggest anyone not working has to share a kitchen.

Again with the responding to a point that hasn't been said.....

pickledonionspaceraider

lisyloo wrote: »

actually i live away from my home in order to find work.

is it this????????