Remoaners Revenge...

zarf2007

waamo wrote: »

I disagree this is remoaners revenge. This is about Parliament making decisions and not lumbering into some default position by neglect.

One of the issues in the leave campaign was parliamentary sovereignty. Parliament should and must have the final say.

This is about making sure leave follow through on their promise of restoring parliamentary sovereignty.

Even when parliament is made up of 75% remainers? Yeah i’m Sure they will be impartial...

zarf2007

Arklight wrote: »

It would be much better if Brexit voters could just move on to something else. Its been three years of your foot stamping now. Just accept you won the vote but lost the outcome and move on.

Yes as i’m Sure remainers would if the vote had gone the other way

waamo

zarf2007 wrote: »

Even when parliament is made up of 75% remainers? Yeah i’m Sure they will be impartial...

That's democracy for you. Elected by the people, for the people. Are you suggesting the electorates wishes should be ignored?

This is what we voted for after all.

zarf2007

waamo wrote: »

That's democracy for you. Elected by the people, for the people. Are you suggesting the electorates wishes should be ignored?

This is what we voted for after all.

No, we didn’t, they are elected to serve the will of the majority from a democratic vote, I don’t give a toss about their personal views.

waamo

zarf2007 wrote: »

No, we didn’t, they are elected to serve the will of the majority from a democratic vote, I don’t give a toss about their personal views.

Then get rid of them. That's what I'm saying there appears to be a choice. Ignore democracy or a general election. I can't see any other way.

The October do or die doesn't seem realistic unless Boris acts really fast.

MobileSaver

zarf2007 wrote: »

Nice to see their latest efforts to sabotage what was a democratic vote to leave by preventing the possibility of a prorogued parliament

Oh the irony!

One of the main Leave Campaign principles was to take back control from unelected EU officials and give it back to the UK Parliament... as soon as there's an outcome Leavers don't like they want to take control away from Parliament and instead allow the unelected Prime Minister (appointed by the Queen, not elected by the people) to thwart Parliament's will.

triathlon

zarf2007 wrote: »

Yes that really applies to me and my fellow brexitiers, all earn £90k+, own more than one property and are well educated, so again, another remainers urban legend that they love to spread.

I don't believe you, why want something that will crash the property market and then your wealth, that is just madness.

triathlon

spadoosh wrote: »

Hardened brexiteer here.

Got a degree in accounting, bought my house when i was 24, should be mortgage free at 40.

I dont do jealousy because im perfect. :A

I am a bit of an a hole though. :cool:

Show me any remainer and ill show you someone completely duplicitous who's primary interest is their own situation and wealth.

I choose principles over money. I choose autonomy over dependence. I choose personal responsibility over blaming others intelligence because you where that lousy at offering an effective argument. I mean even Nigel Farage, someone i think lacks any credibility, can get people to follow him. You couldn't even outsmart Nigel Farage and you have the audacity to question peoples intelligence?

Are you jealous of Farage's ability to gain followers? Just imagine if you had that skill, what you could achieve. Alas, ranting on MSE is the pinnacle of your political prowess. You must be proud. :T

Again.

You and people like you 100% do not own property, nobody in their right mind votes for a loss in their wealth, "principles and morals", don't make me laugh, eveyone looks after themselves to a point

Fran_Klee

waamo wrote: »

It's a bit more than that though. They agreed to leave but have added the caveat that there must be a deal. What that deal may be is yet to be decided.

Parliament either needs to overturn that decision or come up with a deal. You can't just ride roughshod over what has been decided.

I can't see any other resolution other than a general election.

No, really it isn't more than that.
Article 50 is very clear; read it.
After two years of negotiating the EU's treaties shall cease to apply to the departing member, it says.

Just because our duplicitous MP's have decided that they want a deal does not mean that they can change their vote after they have made it; it has been done.
Imagine voting on any other once-in-a-generation matter and then trying to renege; chaos would ensue and quite rightly too.
THAT is where our parliament are trying to ride rough-shod over what has been decided, nowhere else.

"Sorry we voted to nuke Iran but don't worry because we've changed our minds! We didn't think it meant 'NOW'!"
See?
Too late after the button has been pressed.
If they were not prepared for the consequences of implementing Article 50 they should not have voted yes.
It really is that simple, and no amount of squirming will ever change that.


As for another election well we've been here so many times.
It won't change anything.
Why?
Because largely the parties are not (maybe "were not" might be more accurate) split along lines of pro- or anti-Brexit.
Think how many Labour constituencies voted to leave or how many Tory constituencies voted to remain.

No, you'd end up either further in the doo-doo and with (as has been suggested) the Tories and The Brexit Party forming a coalition that would still see the UK leaving.
There's not a hope in hell of Labour getting anywhere near enough seats for an outright majority, LibDems either and since we know how effective Farage is as a campaigner we also know that the very most will be made of this farce.

If Brexit is still thwarted by those duplicitous MP's that refuse to honour the result of a referendum where the British public were promised that the result would be honoured the backlash will still ensure that Brexit goes ahead; it will just take a little longer and cause more hurt to those that refuse to accept the result of a democratic vote.
Especially the MP's in that group, because it will change politics in this country forever and ensure that many of them never have a seat as an MP again.

Just think:
Had this country had the government and cabinet three years ago that we have now, the probability is that the UK would by now be out of the EU and the resulting hoo-hah would largely have settled to nothing.

Ballard

We hear a lot about 'the elites' wanting to stay in the EU because they want to protect their wealth but I'm not sure quite where this comes from.

"Remain voting MPs are doing so because they're on a cushy number from the EU". Where's the evidence that they're getting propped up by the EU? Surely they'd be happier to be able to make our own laws (because of course we can't make our own at the moment) so that they could squeeze a bit more out of their job.

"Patriots like Dyson, Farage & Tim Martin are doing their bit to help the country". Dyson appears to have domiciled himself abroad, Farage is and always has been a self-serving liar and Martin apparently (although I have no proof of this) pays his staff as little as he can get away with so that he can cream the profits himself.

Speaking personally I voted remain because it's what I think is better for the country as a whole. I think that the country will be significantly worse off once we leave and this has been agreed by UKIP/Brexit Party candidates.

On one hand we hear that it's not all about money, which to an extent I agree with, but at the same time that's going to harm the NHS and that's something that Brexit was supposed to help.

I'm living very comfortably and can afford a higher cost of living. It really doesn't bother me if I have to spend a bit more to live. The people that it will hurt are those on low incomes. I completely understand why they voted to leave but I'm afraid that they've been sold a pup and will come to regret it in time.

On the plus side we've got rid of the metropolitan elites and now have Eton/Oxford educated Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson at the helm. So much better.