Remoaners Revenge...

MobileSaver

Conina wrote: »

Ah, while being a reluctant member that refused the Euro and further integration you mean?

Yes, thank you for confirming again that we outperformed in your words while taking advantage of our "opt-outs" such as not joining the Euro.

Of course, if in the future people realise leaving was a really big mistake, we are extremely unlikely to be able to rejoin with all those same benefits and opt-outs. My genuine concern is who will the unsuccessful and disaffected blame next when they realise that the EU was not the source of all their troubles and that actually by Voting Leave they've just made their own situation worse?

lisyloo

Zuzel wrote: »

Personally I'm interested to understand why you think it won't?

How about some evidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49170387

Zuzel

The EU would be wise to make a deal with the UK. It will get clobbered in the event of no deal.

Conventional wisdom says the UK will get hit harder than the EU in the event of a no deal Brexit. Conventional wisdom is wrong.

Here are eight reasons the EU will suffer more in both the short and long term.

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/eight-reasons-the-eu-will-suffer-far-more-than-uk-in-brexit-KjGlsNDeNUG0K21J-Hvd0w/

*The contributor is not British and is voicing a global economist's opinion.

Zuzel

lisyloo wrote: »

How about some evidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49170387

:rotfl:
Yes, we'll just ignore the teensy-weensy fact that both in Europe and globally the car industry is in the doldrums shall we?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-22/when-the-music-stops-carmakers-cleave-jobs-as-global-sales-slip

phillw

Zuzel wrote: »

Yes, we'll just ignore the teensy-weensy fact that both in Europe and globally the car industry is in the doldrums shall we?

Sure, which is why it's imperative to make UK production streamlined and cost effective rather than what leave voters want to do.

MobileSaver wrote: »

My genuine concern is who will the unsuccessful and disaffected blame next when they realise that the EU was not the source of all their troubles and that actually by Voting Leave they've just made their own situation worse?

It will always be someone elses fault, they will just have to find someone will nothing in common with them to blame. So whether it's people from another country, or those who didn't buy in to the lie that leaving would be a benefit to the UK, they'll delude themselves and make hard working people suffer the consequences.

Herzlos

Zuzel wrote: »

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/eight-reasons-the-eu-will-suffer-far-more-than-uk-in-brexit-KjGlsNDeNUG0K21J-Hvd0w/

*The contributor is not British and is voicing a global economist's opinion.

And is spouting the usual garbage with no details.


Like these 2:

Reason 5: Trade Deals
The UK will be able to make its own trade deals and set tariffs how it pleases.
Reason 6: Rules and Regulations
The UK will finally be free of inane EU rules and regulations on basically everything but especially agriculture.

Technically true, but we've still seen a single example of a deal or regulation we can get that is worth it.

Zuzel

Herzlos wrote: »

And is spouting the usual garbage with no details.


Like these 2:




Technically true, but we've still seen a single example of a deal or regulation we can get that is worth it.

Until we are allowed to once free of the EU you won't; it's not allowed.
I'm sure you knew that.
Or are you saying that we can make deals and/or regulations while still officially an EU member?

Herzlos

We can discuss them or have a vague idea of what we can do, we just can't formally start negotiations.


So does anyone who voted leave based on trade deals have any ideas on trade deals we're missing out on?
Does anyone who voted leave based on regulations have any ideas on what regulations we can drop?

Zuzel

So that's a no then, as I said.
Glad we cleared that up.
:T

As EU members we're missing out on possible trade deals with the parts of the world where trade is increasing, just for one example.
After 20 years of the EU negotiating with Mercosur it's looking like the deal will be rejected anyway.
20 years!
It's got to be much faster on our own.

Here's one regulation that'll be scrapped, to the cheers of thousands of British fishermen: CFP.
CBA to discuss others because all you'll do is try and rubbish them any way, so there's no point.
But be patient.
You will find out,as it happens no doubt.
Far better than any conjecture.

MobileSaver

Herzlos wrote: »

Does anyone who voted leave based on regulations have any ideas on what regulations we can drop?

Zuzel wrote: »

Here's one regulation that'll be scrapped, to the cheers of thousands of British fishermen: CFP.

You are unbelievably naive if you think the CFP will be scrapped without a very similar arrangement between the EU and UK replacing it.

Alternatively import and export tariffs would affect us all, especially as we import 2/3 of the fish we eat, and I wouldn't like to guess what the considerable cost of the Navy having to protect our fishing waters would be.

As is often the case, be careful what you wish for and lets see if British fishermen are still cheering when the reality and implications of leaving the EU come home to roost...