Parking Red Route just before end time.

Aylesbury_Duck

Bulli79 wrote: »

ok so this is the situation....

they have sent PCN to adrees saying

contravention time is 18:53

i notice that the two picture they have is:

bottom picture is at 18:52.14 - a dark coloured car whereby the vehicle reg is completly covered by someone leaning on the car. this vehicle look align with pavemnt on rd routh as if it has stopped there.
other then same looking car thats all it shows vrm is completly covered

the top picture has a time of 19:01.05 that is the only picture that shows VRM however the car isnt even stopped its moving (could be either parking up, which is fine becouse its after 7pm or could be doing a 3 point turn) the point is the only image showing VRM is after 19:00hrs.

I then went into TFL website to se what other images they have on there website they have 3 images

1. The same one on PCN they sent at 18:52.14
2. Another picture taken at 18:53.25 this photo also show no VRM at all due to someone standing infront of vehicle.
3 Then same photo they sent on PCN with showing VRM however the time shows 19:01 and the car is not alighned with pavement looks like it in motion. but even if it was stopped there that would be fine as time is after 7pm.


i called the tfl and spoke to them the person refused to understand the photos that are on file do not show this vehicle in contravention also there is a descripentcy in time. this pcn says contravention occured 18:53 however when you look close to the pics there is one at 18:52. (so When was the contravention 18:52 or 53 and how do they no that is the same vehicle as the one that shows VRM in the Photo taken at 19:01.

the person on the phone sounded like he was just reading of a script he then put me on hold came back and just read of the same sheet again i asked do you have live footage showing this is the same vehicle that you claim was parked there. he replied "yes". so i asked for that footage to be sent so he put the request through (hopefully). then later in the conversation he backtracked and said he didnt actually say they have footage showing that car pullin out.


so anyway if they send me a disk with just the same pictures again and no actually cctv footage of it happening. what should i do or actually is there anything i should be doing at this point.


thank you

If in your opinion they haven’t got evidence of the car being stationary before 7pm then challenge it. You seem to be suggesting they can’t tell whether a) the car pictured before 7pm is stationary (although with someone leaning on it I suspect it was) and b) they don’t have evidence that it’s the same car pictured moving after 7pm.

Your call. You know if the car pictured in each shot is the same car or not and you probably know whether you stopped there or not (before 7pm). Only you can decide if it’s worth appealing or not. There is no grace period, and nor should there be.

debtdebt

Were you parked there or not?

Bulli79

heres the issue i wasnt the driver nor is it my car ive asked the driver his saying his sure he parked after 7 and pictures are showing his car yes but 7:01pm


the car is a toyota yaris hybrid theres a alot on the road same colour. he swear blind he is the guy in the picture at 19:01



Aylesbury Duck- im suggesting the picture prior are stationary but you cannot see the VRM and it is a different car.

Bulli79

foxy-stoat wrote: »

Probably how to get compensation for getting a ticket that was issued 7 minutes before the restriction lifts.

debtdebt - thats my point his saying he didnt and its another vehicle. and to be fair the picture are not clear as to if it is infact the same car.
i agree when you say " why would he park there...." However im not concernec with the morality of the situation im simply asking question on what can be done.



thank you

Bulli79

PS - Im also not sure if his being entirely honest. as i have used this forum before and was succesfull i just thought i could get some advice again.

Scrapit

Who's covering the reg number and why? Is it safe to assume they are the driver of that vehicle trying to prevent it getting a ticket, regardless of if it is the car at 7pm or not?

a.turner

Bulli79 wrote: »

PS - Im also not sure if his being entirely honest. as i have used this forum before and was succesfull i just thought i could get some advice again.

So he parked in exactly the same position an identical car was at 8 minutes earlier. Bit of a coincidence if it's true.

Bulli79

Scrapit - exactly i dont reckognise the the person standing infront of the number plate. unless he got someone randome to do it.



a. turner- yes it is a coincidence but not impossible and like i said this is a very popular model the point is we cant say. so going along the lines of his telling the truth.



Then the council wont have footage of that var infactbeing the same whats the best way to go.

Bulli79

also why would he go through the trouble of getting someelseto cover the plate then just shwo the plate????????? doesnt really make sense.


but then again it could off been a slip upby himself. anyway!!!

a.turner

Bulli79 wrote: »

also why would he go through the trouble of getting someelseto cover the plate then just shwo the plate????????? doesnt really make sense.


but then again it could off been a slip upby himself. anyway!!!

So who's on the other photos?