Parking Red Route just before end time.

Bulli79

Hi guys
bit of strange one here but before i go into long story. where do you stand if someone was parking on red rout 18:53 and the time it ends was 7pm.
Is there like a grace period before and after prohibition times ie 7am -7pm.
for example not everyones clocks are set o the right time.

there is also 2 parts to this but i might not need to go into that depending on what answer to get to this.

Thank you

a.turner

They shouldn't do it.

Car_54

There is no grace period. And people’s watches may differ, but (1) that’s their own fault and (2) these days 99% of people have a phone showing the time.

Bulli79

a. turner - thank you for replying, so when you say they shouldn't do it would I have any grounds to appeal it on those grounds.

Bulli79

Car 54 - thank you for reply. as I mentioned before there is two parts to this situation I just wanted to run a what if scenario.

forgotmyname

Yep the grace period is anytime after 7pm, the driver should have parked elsewhere or driven around the block. Can you prove their timestamp is wrong or not calibrated?

Always worth an appeal as long as it doesn't cost you more. Will you lose any discount by appealing?

debtdebt

Why would someone park on a red route seven minutes before the prohibition ends and not expect to get a ticket?

TooManyPoints

So what's the second part?

foxy-stoat

TooManyPoints wrote: »

So what's the second part?

Probably how to get compensation for getting a ticket that was issued 7 minutes before the restriction lifts.

Bulli79

ok so this is the situation....

they have sent PCN to adrees saying

contravention time is 18:53

i notice that the two picture they have is:

bottom picture is at 18:52.14 - a dark coloured car whereby the vehicle reg is completly covered by someone leaning on the car. this vehicle look align with pavemnt on rd routh as if it has stopped there.
other then same looking car thats all it shows vrm is completly covered

the top picture has a time of 19:01.05 that is the only picture that shows VRM however the car isnt even stopped its moving (could be either parking up, which is fine becouse its after 7pm or could be doing a 3 point turn) the point is the only image showing VRM is after 19:00hrs.

I then went into TFL website to se what other images they have on there website they have 3 images

1. The same one on PCN they sent at 18:52.14
2. Another picture taken at 18:53.25 this photo also show no VRM at all due to someone standing infront of vehicle.
3 Then same photo they sent on PCN with showing VRM however the time shows 19:01 and the car is not alighned with pavement looks like it in motion. but even if it was stopped there that would be fine as time is after 7pm.


i called the tfl and spoke to them the person refused to understand the photos that are on file do not show this vehicle in contravention also there is a descripentcy in time. this pcn says contravention occured 18:53 however when you look close to the pics there is one at 18:52. (so When was the contravention 18:52 or 53 and how do they no that is the same vehicle as the one that shows VRM in the Photo taken at 19:01.

the person on the phone sounded like he was just reading of a script he then put me on hold came back and just read of the same sheet again i asked do you have live footage showing this is the same vehicle that you claim was parked there. he replied "yes". so i asked for that footage to be sent so he put the request through (hopefully). then later in the conversation he backtracked and said he didnt actually say they have footage showing that car pullin out.


so anyway if they send me a disk with just the same pictures again and no actually cctv footage of it happening. what should i do or actually is there anything i should be doing at this point.


thank you

Inner_Zone

debtdebt wrote: »

Why would someone park on a red route seven minutes before the prohibition ends and not expect to get a ticket?

Unless it's in Reading, several new red routes were introduced a quite a while ago, virtually no enforcement. And the enforcement "officers" when they do appear park their mopeds in red "Loading Bay" marked areas, while giving out the occasional ticket but not loading or otherwise, great advert, not!