It's time to start digging up those Squirrelled Nuts!!!!

Thrugelmir

crv1963 said:

MallyGirl said:

I hope it is just a cold - I am in week 6 of my horrid cold now but I work from home and hate shopping so I do it online which means I have mostly been self isolated anyway. I did go to a couple of gigs this week though - my symptoms do not match Covid-19, I just have the lurgy. Both sets of parents are struggling with health issues at the moment so we are steering well clear of them. DD is just hoping that school keeps going till they break up on the 27th. She sits her A levels in June and they haven't finished teaching the full syllabus yet.

Personally I'm not convinced by the Herd Immunity approach but I am no expert in virology at all. 

Without a vaccine to adminster. The virus could easily spark again. This whole event stemmed from just one person thousands of miles away. Brings home the fact just how comfortable we've become with medical advances. 

crv1963

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

MallyGirl said:

I hope it is just a cold - I am in week 6 of my horrid cold now but I work from home and hate shopping so I do it online which means I have mostly been self isolated anyway. I did go to a couple of gigs this week though - my symptoms do not match Covid-19, I just have the lurgy. Both sets of parents are struggling with health issues at the moment so we are steering well clear of them. DD is just hoping that school keeps going till they break up on the 27th. She sits her A levels in June and they haven't finished teaching the full syllabus yet.

Personally I'm not convinced by the Herd Immunity approach but I am no expert in virology at all. 

Without a vaccine to adminster. The virus could easily spark again. This whole event stemmed from just one person thousands of miles away. Brings home the fact just how comfortable we've become with medical advances. 

That is true, I understand trying to delay the peak numbers but the Italians have a good healthcare system and it is at breaking point with decisions made who to save and who to make comfortable. So with the UK system with chronic understaffing and scarce resources there maybe an ability to get beds/ equipment in place quickly but there will need to be wholesale systemic changes in staff allocations and closure of some services to try to manage the situation.

Without wide scale testing no one including those making the decisions over allocation of resources knows the true scale of the problem, I think our problems will pale once the US finds it too has a widescale problem.

Thrugelmir

crv1963 said:

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

MallyGirl said:

I hope it is just a cold - I am in week 6 of my horrid cold now but I work from home and hate shopping so I do it online which means I have mostly been self isolated anyway. I did go to a couple of gigs this week though - my symptoms do not match Covid-19, I just have the lurgy. Both sets of parents are struggling with health issues at the moment so we are steering well clear of them. DD is just hoping that school keeps going till they break up on the 27th. She sits her A levels in June and they haven't finished teaching the full syllabus yet.

Personally I'm not convinced by the Herd Immunity approach but I am no expert in virology at all. 

Without a vaccine to adminster. The virus could easily spark again. This whole event stemmed from just one person thousands of miles away. Brings home the fact just how comfortable we've become with medical advances. 

That is true, I understand trying to delay the peak numbers but the Italians have a good healthcare system and it is at breaking point with decisions made who to save and who to make comfortable. So with the UK system with chronic understaffing and scarce resources there maybe an ability to get beds/ equipment in place quickly but there will need to be wholesale systemic changes in staff allocations and closure of some services to try to manage the situation.

Without wide scale testing no one including those making the decisions over allocation of resources knows the true scale of the problem, I think our problems will pale once the US finds it too has a widescale problem.

Italy has a more elderly population than the UK. Culture is different too. Far more family orientated. Direct comparisons are somewhat difficult.  

JoeEngland

Sea_Shell said:

Self isolation TV viewing sorted...

Box sets of "the Last Ship" 
DVDs of "Outbreak" and "Deep Impact"

  

No Walking Dead?!

crv1963

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

MallyGirl said:

I hope it is just a cold - I am in week 6 of my horrid cold now but I work from home and hate shopping so I do it online which means I have mostly been self isolated anyway. I did go to a couple of gigs this week though - my symptoms do not match Covid-19, I just have the lurgy. Both sets of parents are struggling with health issues at the moment so we are steering well clear of them. DD is just hoping that school keeps going till they break up on the 27th. She sits her A levels in June and they haven't finished teaching the full syllabus yet.

Personally I'm not convinced by the Herd Immunity approach but I am no expert in virology at all. 

Without a vaccine to adminster. The virus could easily spark again. This whole event stemmed from just one person thousands of miles away. Brings home the fact just how comfortable we've become with medical advances. 

That is true, I understand trying to delay the peak numbers but the Italians have a good healthcare system and it is at breaking point with decisions made who to save and who to make comfortable. So with the UK system with chronic understaffing and scarce resources there maybe an ability to get beds/ equipment in place quickly but there will need to be wholesale systemic changes in staff allocations and closure of some services to try to manage the situation.

Without wide scale testing no one including those making the decisions over allocation of resources knows the true scale of the problem, I think our problems will pale once the US finds it too has a widescale problem.

Italy has a more elderly population than the UK. Culture is different too. Far more family orientated. Direct comparisons are somewhat difficult.  

Absolutely agree that direct comparisons are difficult, each country has to adopt its' own approach. The UK also has a heavy reliance on unpaid/ informal care arrangements so things like closing schools needs careful consideration and communication- close the schools who provides the childcare? Parents- taking them out of the workforce? Grandparents- increasing their risk of infection?

cfw1994

DairyQueen said:

cfw1994 said:

How does driving add insult to injury?  

Because it took him 2 days to travel there, plus another 2 days to return. The outcome would have been a 3-day high-risk skiing holiday in return for a week's absence just as the country (and his company) was on the sharp edge of an epidemic. 

But...
Update...

MD arrived in Italy just as the slopes closed and he was turned-back. He should arrive home today and will be self-isolating for 14 days. So, the cost of that dumb decision was zero skiing and a near 3-week absence from his company at a critical time.

What a truly excellent decision (not).

Ahhh.....4 days travel for 3 days on the slopes.   Sounds a bit of madness at the best of times!
I understand from our friends Les Arcs is still open.   I doubt that will continue: daughters Uni trip to Andorra has been canned today as they shut the slopes.   
IF, by some bizarre chance, both the slopes and the EuroTunnel are still open in 2 weeks time, I'm not sure what we will do.   
I cannot see our drive down as being high risk....& I still believe the skiing week would be low risk....BUT I still fully expect the slopes to be shut down.
It is tough times.  There is, it seems a clear need for many people to actually get the virus and develop that 'herd immunity', but really that won't help those at risk, who will still be at risk.   
A front-line doctoring relative tells me the incidence of norovirus has gone dramatically down, so at least people appear to be learning to cleanse themselves better......

Sea_Shell

JoeEngland said:

Sea_Shell said:

Self isolation TV viewing sorted...

Box sets of "the Last Ship" 
DVDs of "Outbreak" and "Deep Impact"

  

No Walking Dead?!

Never watched it...is it zombies?  Not my bag.  

LHW99

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

Thrugelmir said:

crv1963 said:

MallyGirl said:

I hope it is just a cold - I am in week 6 of my horrid cold now but I work from home and hate shopping so I do it online which means I have mostly been self isolated anyway. I did go to a couple of gigs this week though - my symptoms do not match Covid-19, I just have the lurgy. Both sets of parents are struggling with health issues at the moment so we are steering well clear of them. DD is just hoping that school keeps going till they break up on the 27th. She sits her A levels in June and they haven't finished teaching the full syllabus yet.

Personally I'm not convinced by the Herd Immunity approach but I am no expert in virology at all. 

Without a vaccine to adminster. The virus could easily spark again. This whole event stemmed from just one person thousands of miles away. Brings home the fact just how comfortable we've become with medical advances. 

That is true, I understand trying to delay the peak numbers but the Italians have a good healthcare system and it is at breaking point with decisions made who to save and who to make comfortable. So with the UK system with chronic understaffing and scarce resources there maybe an ability to get beds/ equipment in place quickly but there will need to be wholesale systemic changes in staff allocations and closure of some services to try to manage the situation.

Without wide scale testing no one including those making the decisions over allocation of resources knows the true scale of the problem, I think our problems will pale once the US finds it too has a widescale problem.

Italy has a more elderly population than the UK. Culture is different too. Far more family orientated. Direct comparisons are somewhat difficult.  

I believe the rate of smoking is higher in Italy than the UK too

DairyQueen

cfw1994 said:

 There is, it seems a clear need for many people to actually get the virus and develop that 'herd immunity', but really that won't help those at risk, who will still be at risk.   

The high risk only comes into effect for those in vulnerable groups after infection, and the risk of infection will be massively reduced by herd immunity. 

Sea_Shell

I wouldn't be surprised if this virus has been around in the UK for longer than we think, yet had no idea what it was.   

Thinking back, I had a really odd illness back in early December (I did post a little about it at the time).   I had vomiting, headache, bad sinuses, blocked ears, conjunctivitis, followed by a cough that lasted about 2 weeks.   Although I don't recall having a fever or aches and pains, but it was very strange mix of symptoms.   

I blamed the N&Ns!! 

Going for my usual run this morning, and we're hoping to get out for a countryside walk tomorrow.   Hoping that Aldi haven't been ransacked by the time we go on Tuesday!!