PCN for parking on land with cameras - no windscreen ticket but NTK

burhaan777

Hi All

Car whilst being parked on a piece of land which is privately owned. Park Watch have now sent a PCN to my home address, the images (two in total) on the letter shows the car parked next to yellow lines and the images captured show the car in two different locations in their car park which is cut off from the road by double yellow lines. The car was moved forward slightly after 10mins (hence the two locations), in total he must have been parked there for approximately 35-40mins.

The images aren't particularly clear on the letter and the second image just so happens to have the metal cage that covers the CCTV camera right over the number plate.

I have read through the newbies section and I am aware that I need to use the first template in blue to submit my appeal online but my question is that there was a NTK issued to me (incident date: 08/06/2019, NTK received: 17/06/2019) so does the blue template still work for me? There was no pay and display machine to buy a ticket from. The reason they state on the PCN (letter) for the charge is 'No Permit', so I'm assuming it was a car park for permit holders only that was being monitored by CCTV.

Park Watch is a member of the BPA and I can appeal the PCN via email.

The charge is £60 if paid within 14 days or £100 after.

Also, the paint for the car park bays was barely visible and the car wasn't actually parked in a bay but on the edge of the car park almost on the double yellow lines. The PCN does not state from when and to the car was parked there.

Appreciate any help and support with this. Thanks in advance.

Redx

just use the blue text appeal and appeal as keeper

no blabbing about who was driving , so edit your post above

the DRIVER drove and parked on the day

the KEEPER received the postal letters including the NTK

those are the only 2 words required

in future , stay off private land UNLESS complying with the signage

burhaan777

Redx wrote: »

just use the blue text appeal and appeal as keeper

no blabbing about who was driving , so edit your post above

the DRIVER drove and parked on the day

the KEEPER received the postal letters including the NTK

those are the only 2 words required

in future , stay off private land UNLESS complying with the signage

I've edited the post as per your suggestion, thanks for that. So I don't need to edit the blue template despite a NTK being served and no available option to pay to park?

Do you think I have a chance of winning this? Appreciate it will probably have to be appealed via Popla.

I won't risk even walking on private land after this.

Redx

edit it if you wish , just ensure the driver is not implicated, by appealing as keeper (the person who received the NTK appeals it)

its impossible to predict a popla result (or a court result) so nobody is going to speculate , but its clear that the driver should not have been there and was foolish to wait on private land being monitored by modern day cameras and so was trespassing

any win at popla or in court will be on a legal technicality , like no landowner authority , poor and inadequate signage , forbidding signage etc

burhaan777

Redx wrote: »

edit it if you wish , just ensure the driver is not implicated, by appealing as keeper (the person who received the NTK appeals it)

its impossible to predict a popla result (or a court result) so nobody is going to speculate , but its clear that the driver should not have been there and was foolish to wait on private land being monitored by modern day cameras

any win at popla or in court will be on a legal technicality , like no landowner authority , poor and inadequate signage , forbidding signage etc

I'll give it a try as it is and see what happens.

Do I submit the appeal to the company now or wait until the last couple of days of the initial 14 day period?

Redx

if you have read the newbies thread you will know that there is no "initial 14 day period"

the KEEPER has 28 days to appeal the NTK before it "times out"

the KEEPER can appeal it at anytime within that 28 day window

the 14 days is irrelevant because its the early bird bribe period

burhaan777

Redx wrote: »

if you have read the newbies thread you will know that there is no "initial 14 day period"

the KEEPER has 28 days to appeal the NTK before it "times out"

the KEEPER can appeal it at anytime within that 28 day window

the 14 days is irrelevant because its the early bird bribe period

Apologies, I didn't realise that despite reading it.

Will get on to it and keep this thread updated with a view that it will help others in this type of situation.

Thanks.

Redx

the 14 days puts pressure on people to pay the full charge minus the 40% discount asap by introducing a quick deadline , so the NEWBIES thread says

Q - ''My PCN says the 'fine' will go up after 14 days, so why are you suggesting I wait before appealing?''

A - FORGET THE '14 DAYS JITTERS'. THE SO-CALLED 'DISCOUNT' IS A BRIBE NOT TO APPEAL - YOU CANNOT DO BOTH

it has nothing to do with appealing

burhaan777

Redx wrote: »

the 14 days puts pressure on people to pay the full charge minus the 40% discount asap by introducing a quick deadline , so the NEWBIES thread says



it has nothing to do with appealing

Thanks, crystal clear but yet I still missed it (silly me!).

If the appeal isn't upheld when I go through Popla, am I right in saying I'll be liable to pay the higher rate £100?

Redx

you "may" be liable for the £100 , but only if a judge says so, until that happens you do not owe a penny


only a judge can decide if the keeper owes £100 or not, not popla and not Parkwatch either

burhaan777

Redx wrote: »

you "may" be liable for the £100 , but only if a judge says so, until that happens you do not owe a penny


only a judge can decide if the keeper owes £100 or not, not popla and not Parkwatch either

Thank you very much for all your advice and support. Will get the ball rolling and see where I end up - worth a shot anyway - hopefully it will be a success!