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Abuse of Process ... District Judge tells BWLegal

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  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad pointed out recently what the Supreme Court stated

    198. ''...The charge has to be and is set at a level which enables the managers to recover the costs of operating the scheme...''
    Thanks to coupon-mad

    That level is now £100 and the Supreme court deemed it includes costs of recovery ... not a penny more

    The Supreme court sets a precedence in a County Court

    Be it a letter of claim or your witness statement, the following should be asked

    1: On what authority do they have to circumvent POFA2012
    2: On what authority do they have to circumvent the courts own ruling of double recovery
    3: On what authority do they have to circumvent the Supreme court stating that the level of the parking ticket includes their costs

    FOOTNOTE
    Thus far, not one of the legals adding fake charges have managed to answer
  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    27th September 2019
    BWLegal claim struck out with the judge saying ....
    "this court is now systematically strikes out claims for those costs" and also said to rep to refer back to the instructors if they wanted to appeal this decision that
    "this is the position its going continue to be adopted" ???


    Southampton Court
    Judge Giddins
    claim numbers: F4DP5264 & F4DP5279

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5932249/2-separate-letters-from-bw-legal-britannia-parking
  • Brilliant. I wish people who had already paid these fake add on's could claim them back like PPI. They should not be allowed to get away with it.

    Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.
  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    Brilliant. I wish people who had already paid these fake add on's could claim them back like PPI. They should not be allowed to get away with it.

    I have no doubt that a claims company has already considered it and decided it is not economically viable.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • beamerguy
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    edited 30 September 2019 at 11:29AM
    See this thread concerning BWLegal
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76329791#Comment_76329791

    They have claimed their rights to include fake amounts is ...

    Such costs are recoverable in any event under the relevant Parking Code(s) of Practice

    NOTE .... Code(s) ... indicating the CoP of the BPA/IPC.

    THE LAW, POFA2012 states such add-on charges are not permitted

    As the motorist is not a member of either ATA, they are not bound to the CoP's
    are the two ATA's breaking the law by ignoring POFA2012
  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    edited 4 October 2019 at 12:20PM
    This is an interesting step forward instigated by BlueBumblebee
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76346313#Comment_76346313
    POST # 15

    COMPLAINT TO THE SRA

    "On the SRA complaint, one of the things I put in the initial complaint was about the £60 extra charge that's been deemed abuse of process in some of the court cases. It seems the SRA were unaware that BW Legal have been doing that, so now they want to investigate it more closely to see if there's a valid reason why a fictional £60 was added on. So I sent them the abuse of process info, including the case numbers where the courts have struck out claims because of the abuse of process, so that they know it's not just me questioning the added £60.

    The other thing I complained about was one of BW Legal's threatening letters, where they said they would issue a CCJ against me because I had "failed" to provide my defence as to why the debt was disputed, a letter which was sent a week BEFORE my defence was due. The letter was full of misinformation, trying to make me think the case was already lost and I'd have a CCJ declared against me unless I paid the full amount straight away. When obviously the courts weren't expecting my defence for another week, let alone making any decisions on whether I had to pay anything. It was just scare tactics to make me pay up instead of continuing to defend myself".


    If you have received a fake £60 add-on from ...
    BWLEGAL
    GLADSTONES
    DCB LEGAL
    SCS LAW
    QDR

    OR if you have been subjected to abusive, threatening letters

    Complain directly to the SRA

    http://www.sra.org.uk/home/home.page
  • dexion7
    dexion7 Posts: 39 Forumite
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    the judge in my case yesterday allowed the additional £60 because it was mentioned on the NTK
  • beamerguy
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    dexion7 wrote: »
    the judge in my case yesterday allowed the additional £60 because it was mentioned on the NTK

    You had a judge who was clueless which is a shame when we put our trust in these people.

    A NTK is an invoice stating a contract was broken, an NTK is not a contract as you had no idea of this when entering a car park. Only the sign forms the contract and even then it must comply to the law POFA2012

    So the judge, unlike the other judges, does not understand the law
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,173 Forumite
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    dexion7 wrote: »
    the judge in my case yesterday allowed the additional £60 because it was mentioned on the NTK
    But the Beavis case para 98 and 198 is the answer to that. It is crystal clear that the parking charge already covers the costs of the operation.

    Beavis tells us AND JUDGES that!

    Also you could have pointed to Debt Recovery Plus' page saying they do debt collection letters free. Thus there are NO VALID COSTS that were ever incurred and the £60 is an abuse, and double recovery.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • dexion7
    dexion7 Posts: 39 Forumite
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    edited 4 October 2019 at 3:49PM
    I'm composing a summary of my case which I'll post up soon but regarding the point of AoP the judge said since the additional £60 was mentioned early on (on the NTK) and that the keeper continued to fight the claim.
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