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Abuse of Process ... District Judge tells BWLegal

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  • malihat
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    SCS Law in my case. What about things like legal fees? They’ve added a statement of costs of £700+ to their evidence bundle.
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  • beamerguy
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    malihat wrote: »
    SCS Law in my case. What about things like legal fees? They’ve added a statement of costs of £700+ to their evidence bundle.

    SCLaw followed the pied piper

    Comments have already been made on your own thread, kindly keep to your own thread, thanks
  • Where is the cost recovery clause in the signage and what costs have actually been incurred if no debt has been collected? I few standard letters at most. I told DRP to jog on from the start.

    In the Chaplair Limited v Kumari [2015] EWCA Civ 798 the costs related to the payment of the management fees when the tenant was in arrears. If the tenant had been previously paying the management fees and had stopped paying then the landlord would be responsible for the fees. These would be fees for cleaning the communal area, gardening, insurance of buildings etc.

    Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.
  • The_Deep
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    I have been a landowner for over 45 years. I have never come across an instance where a tenant pays the service charges. Why would they? They are tax deductible.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Snakes_Belly
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    edited 13 September 2019 at 10:13AM
    I think that in Chaplair Limited v Kumari the tenant must have been paying the management charge. In some cases this does happen however if they stop paying the landlord is responsible for them.

    Anyway those were the fees that were being claimed in the case cited by the PPC's and whoever pays them they are legitimate fees paid for services which would be invoiced to the management company.

    I see the main issues as

    1) Whether there was a cost recovery clause in the signage.

    2) How clear was the signage.

    3) Whether any costs have been paid.

    4) Whether the parking claim (£100) covered the admin costs.

    Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.
  • I think that in Chaplair Limited v Kumari the tenant must have been paying the management charge. In some cases this does happen however if they stop paying the landlord is responsible for them.

    Anyway those were the fees that were being claimed in the case cited by the PPC's and whoever pays them they are legitimate fees paid for services which would be invoiced to the management company.

    I see the main issues as

    1) Whether there was a cost recovery clause in the signage.

    2) How clear was the signage.

    3) Whether any costs have been paid.

    4) Whether the parking claim (£100) covered the admin costs.

    https://imgur.com/ix9N7Ig
    This is an image of the sign. It was just letters from DRP so no costs should have been paid.
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  • beamerguy
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    malihat wrote: »
    https://imgur.com/ix9N7Ig
    This is an image of the sign. It was just letters from DRP so no costs should have been paid.

    PLEASE PLEASE use your own thread ....
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5912625/claim-issued-over-residential-parking

    This thread is for ABUSE OF PROCESS
  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    That sign does not apply to you, you are authorisized, by your lease/AST.




    PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD
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  • beamerguy
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    18th September 2019

    BWLEGAL / BRITANNIA

    Southampton Court
    Judge Taylor
    Case No F6DP042N


    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76287424#Comment_76287424

    POST # 63

    Whilst the defendant won for another reason, the judge clearly said
    "He also said even if there was evidence of a contract existing, he would of ruled out the claim as an abuse of process due to the unexplained added £60."


    BWLegal has still not said on what authority they have to disregard the law being POFA2012 ??
  • Snakes_Belly
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    edited 19 September 2019 at 6:19AM
    So Judge Taylor had not changed his stance on this. I assume that the appeal will be heard by a Circuit Judge in the same region. If the CJ dismisses the appeal, Britannia may have shot themselves in the foot.

    Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.
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