Women SPA this week

Malthusian

p00hsticks wrote: »

Interesting (as far as any of this twaddle can ve) that the document talks about ' women born between April 1950 and April 1960' when previously the cliff edge has been quoted as being 31/12/1959....

So they've expanded their ask. Well, if you're shooting for the moon, you may as well shoot for the far side of it, and if you're asking for billions you may as well ask for a few million more.

There is still a six year one month cliff edge under the new demand, as a woman born 1 May 1960 would receive their SPA six years and one month later than one born 30 April 1960.

If WASPI / Backto60 / Marxist-Leninist WASPI of Great Britain / Monster Raving WASPI / whoever's new demand was met.

Regarding the Twitter spat, whoever copied the other WASPI's poster is talking nonsense when they say they're free to do so because there was no copyright declaration - you do not need to put a copyright symbol on something you create to hold the copyright. Copyright is automatic unless you specifically give it up (e.g. by declaring that you release the work into the public domain).

However to be fair to WASPI, this was only recently introduced under everybody's noses under the Berne Convention of 1886, and there's no evidence that world governments wrote to the entire global population in 1886 to tell them that you don't need to put a copyright symbol on a creative work to hold copyright to it.

It just helps to illustrate the level of interest that WASPI members have about the law.

jem16

Malthusian wrote: »

It just helps to illustrate the level of interest that WASPI members have about the law.

They make up their own version of the law daily. :rotfl:

Pollycat

@ Paul_Herring.
Thanks for post #240, I'm not going to quote it.
What a load of silly, deluded, grasping women.
I'm actually quite ashamed to be of the same gender and a 'victim' of the same 'injustice' as this lot.

Pollycat

jem16 wrote: »

I'm sure it isn't nor is it within the scope of a JR to quash primary legislation. However it is Hencke who is writing this.

Who is he?
And why is he writing such stuff and leading these already deluded women on?
If anybody is 'misleading the public' it's he.
Why don't they just read post #3 on this thread? (instead of counting this money they think they're going to get?).

jem16

Pollycat wrote: »

I'm actually quite ashamed to be of the same gender and a 'victim' of the same 'injustice' as this lot.

As am I. There is going to be some serious fallout when they finally realise that the JR is not going to give them what they want.

Meanwhile the real losers, women and men in dire financial difficulty because of the changes get thrown to the wolves by the sheer greed of many of the campaigners. Worse still is that they don't seem to realise this.

jem16

Pollycat wrote: »

Who is he?
And why is he writing such stuff and leading these already deluded women on?

Apparently an investigative journalist - or was as he's long retired apart from his blogs etc now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hencke

He claims that he looked into the BT60 case and was so moved by it, he decided to back them. He wrote an initial report for them to give to the APPG back in early 2018. They did a crowdfund of £6k for this report but he has never confirmed if they paid him that much. There was no need for any payment for a report - groups filled in the survey for free. Joanne Welch attended the APPG meeting for the groups and then was removed by Carolyn Harris (APPG Chair) for her behaviour at the meeting.

He's been writing these blogs/articles ever since.

jem16

Pollycat wrote: »

Why don't they just read post #3 on this thread? (instead of counting this money they think they're going to get?).

Post 3 isn't quite accurate. A small part of the JR was about "failure to properly inform". The main part of it is about sex discrimination, age discrimination and both sex/age discrimination. They are trying to say that 50s' women were discriminated against and that was illegal.

They also want to use a CEDAW Temporary Special Measure to have their pensions from age 60 paid to them and them alone. Their only problem is that CEDAW is not in UK Domestic law.

Pollycat

jem16 wrote: »

Apparently an investigative journalist - or was as he's long retired apart from his blogs etc now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hencke

He claims that he looked into the BT60 case and was so moved by it, he decided to back them. He wrote an initial report for them to give to the APPG back in early 2018. They did a crowdfund of £6k for this report but he has never confirmed if they paid him that much. There was no need for any payment for a report - groups filled in the survey for free. Joanne Welch attended the APPG meeting for the groups and then was removed by Carolyn Harris (APPG Chair) for her behaviour at the meeting.

He's been writing these blogs/articles ever since.

So was Mhairi Black and all the other MPs who regurgitated their constituents' stories during the debate in Parliament.
What is their stance now? :cool:

lisyloo

Meanwhile the real losers, women and men in dire financial difficulty

I’m genuinely trying to understand here.
How many of those in dire difficulties, would have been ok if they’d had plenty of notice and a letter?
To me dire means very serious indeed, not stretching a pension meant for 30 years over 36 years.

Can anyone give me some examples of how the direst of situations would/could have been avoided given that equality and higher ages were inevitable.

Aren’t the direst of these situations because of divorce, abandonment, death etc.
They might have been rescued by an early retirement but are there any examples where withdrawal of an early retirement was actually the cause of dire straits?

I’m up for being educated.

badmemory

Just to put the cat among the pigeons a little bit, the old state pension does still have bits of sex discrimination in it. The graduated bit gives a higher amount to men than it does to women per unit paid in. Crowdfunding anyone?


Seriously though, these women are embarassing. I am too old to have been affected but I do know about it. Despite the fact that I was in the midst of an "interesting" divorce, being made redundant, moving over 200 miles, looking for somewhere to live, looking for a job, looking after a young child (geriatric mother) I still knew all about it. How can they not have known, did they walk through their day going la la la la with their fingers in their ears?