Women SPA this week

jsinc

jem16 wrote: »

I told them that over 3 years ago. Got blocked by them and told by Anne Keen ( WASPI co founder )that the 1995 Act was the biggest injustice of all.

She started out in the 2011 FB group but as she only had a few months added on by 2011 the 1995 Act and a return to 60 has always been her aim.

That's a shame. Campaigning on historical pay inequality and women's diminished capacity to earn and recover is a reasonable endeavour. But expecting Government to backtrack on 1995 changes specifically, while advocating broader equality, isn't logical.

There have been and are many disadvantaged groups in society, often including working women. While I'm sure many individual cases here deserve sympathy, anecdotally women in their 60s are not top of my worry list.

I'd be interested to see the popularity of a campaign that proposed making up shortfalls for poor older women by adjusting benefits of wealthier older women. Guess = doa, and same for older men for that matter.

LHW99

IMO it could be reasonable to allow those affected by the 2011 change to claim pension credit, if their income was low, from their 1995 SPA. Don't suppose it would be acceptable to some though

Pollycat

LHW99 wrote: »

IMO it could be reasonable to allow those affected by the 2011 change to claim pension credit, if their income was low, from their 1995 SPA. Don't suppose it would be acceptable to some though

I'd be happy with that option.


I wouldn't benefit from it as I have an occupational pension.
But then again, I'm not grasping.

Silvertabby

Pollycat wrote: »

I'd be happy with that option.


I wouldn't benefit from it as I have an occupational pension.
But then again, I'm not grasping.

Ditto. .

xylophone

The 2011 change was a little harsh.

and ill-advised. But "It wasn't my fault, guv...":)


https://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/webb-we-made-a-bad-decision-on-state-pension-age-rises/a866283

jem16

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Didn’t Keen get rid of her co-founders of the original WASPI in a bloodless Coup?

Yes she did.

Then she fell out with her co-Directors of WASPI Ltd, left in a huff and started up waspi2018.

Yep.

Now it looks like she’s about to lock horns with Joanne Welch of backto60 after one of her supporters accused her of wanting a bridging loan not a bridging Pension!

Not just a supporter but the BT60 FB chief mod and mouthpiece. I do suspect the "reliable source" is JW herself. She doesn't like to share the limelight.

I’ll just sit on the sidelines with my popcorn and see what happens next. I guess they don’t realise they’re making a laughing 😂 stock out of themselves.

No they think they are wonderful and they have already won.

jem16

LHW99 wrote: »

IMO it could be reasonable to allow those affected by the 2011 change to claim pension credit, if their income was low, from their 1995 SPA. Don't suppose it would be acceptable to some though

I'd be happy with that too but it most certainly won't be acceptable to the campaigners. After all it's their "earned dues" and "WPIYPO" and all the other daft statements they come up with.

Malthusian

jsinc wrote: »

I'd be interested to see the popularity of a campaign that proposed making up shortfalls for poor older women by adjusting benefits of wealthier older women. Guess = doa, and same for older men for that matter.

And besides we already do that. Wealthier older women (and men) have their State Pension adjusted downwards by £1 for every £5 of income they receive over £12,500 and by £2 over £50,000. This helps pay for benefits for poorer old people such as Pension Credit and Housing Benefit.

There's rumblings about merging income tax and NI which would come to largely the same thing (taxing older people more), but rumblings are all they are at this stage. No Government is going to simply whack an extra 26% tax on pension income so it would have to be part of a very comprehensive overhaul, which would probably leave most people paying largely as much tax as they are now.

jsinc

Malthusian wrote: »

And besides we already do that. Wealthier older women (and men) have their State Pension adjusted downwards by £1 for every £5 of income they receive over £12,500 and by £2 over £50,000. This helps pay for benefits for poorer old people such as Pension Credit and Housing Benefit.

There's rumblings about merging income tax and NI which would come to largely the same thing (taxing older people more), but rumblings are all they are at this stage. No Government is going to simply whack an extra 26% tax on pension income so it would have to be part of a very comprehensive overhaul, which would probably leave most people paying largely as much tax as they are now.

I guess such revenue could be entirely hypothecated for that purpose. But I was questioning the mutuality of the campaign rather than making a policy proposal or making any point about the mutuality of older people in general.

lisyloo

My state pension age has risen from 60 to 67.
I have no complaint about that but I don’t think I should be asked to subsidise the early retirement of others.

Btw - both of my parents had serious health issues at 64/65, so whilst life expectancy has increased I don’t think everyone will be up to full time work in their late 60s.