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Double Parking Charge Notice for "Not displaying a valid permit"

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  • Coupon-mad
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    pastacolg said:
    Am I still within the required time frame if the hearing is on 20 November and I will send my WS tonight?
    Does the Order not say 'not later than 2pm' or '4pm' then?
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  • pastacolg
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    edited 6 November 2020 at 2:48PM
    Thank you @Fruitcake . Now I understand why you needed this stuff. I'm just not comfortable going forward with procedural arguments. I will put them forward but I am not sure I'll be able to counter their counter-argument. I am a lay person so I feel stronger with arguments that are at the core of my case, i.e. the primary of the lease contract.
    @Coupon-mad the Order says nothing about the WS deadline at all. I won't be able to finish it before 4 PM tonight anyway.
  • Johnersh
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    No dates on the parking contract and doubtful it's signed by a director..

    Get the statement in ASAP, but the order should say:

    Dates for compliance to be calendar dates and to include time of day

    2.9

    (1) Where the court gives a judgment, order or direction which imposes a time limit for doing any act, the last date for compliance must, wherever practicable –

    (a) be expressed as a calendar date; and

    (b) include the time of day by which the act must be done.

    (2) Where the date by which an act must be done is inserted in any document, the date must, wherever practicable, be expressed as a calendar date.

  • Umkomaas
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    edited 6 November 2020 at 3:04PM
    I am a lay person
    Apart from one poster who is a lawyer, everyone else who has contributed to your thread is exactly the same as you - a lay person. 
     i.e. the primary of the lease contract.
    Primacy. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Johnersh said:
    No dates on the parking contract and doubtful it's signed by a director..
    There are dates on that contract between the parking company and the management company. And I can verify the correct name of the representative of the management company.



    I'm not sure any more if I've got the most recent correspondence from the court then. The last one is from 3 months ago and titled Notice of Trial Date. And still no response for an email I sent this week and the court's helpline is unavailable.


  • I have just found this topic which mirrors my case 100%. As predicted the primacy of contract is the best defence line for me: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6090607/pcn-parking-and-property-management/p1

  • Fruitcake
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    edited 6 November 2020 at 4:55PM
    pastacolg said:
    Johnersh said:
    No dates on the parking contract and doubtful it's signed by a director..
    There are dates on that contract between the parking company and the management company. And I can verify the correct name of the representative of the management company.



    I'm not sure any more if I've got the most recent correspondence from the court then. The last one is from 3 months ago and titled Notice of Trial Date. And still no response for an email I sent this week and the court's helpline is unavailable.


    I still can't work out if these are your redactions or the scammers.

    If you redacted the above and can verify the name of the MC representative, do you understand the significance if they are not a director or company secretary? 
    If you can verify the name of the service provider representative, do you understand the significance if they are not a director or company secretary?
    Do you understand how to search Companies House for that information. 
    Do you understand the significance of the Truro court case I referred you to earlier?

    If the scammers redacted the above, do you understand the significance of the Redactions in Disclosure thread I referred you to earlier?


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  • KeithP
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    Don't waste you time @Fruitcake.

    @pastacolg has decided he doesn't need help with that.
  • @Fruitcake all opaque black redactions are mine. Sorry again. I thought that was clear. I have just confirmed the person who signed it on behalf of PPM has been a director there.
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