Manager is completely incompetent

elsien

milkand1sugar wrote: »

A learning factor in my observation is that work is deterred when you're not allowed to move as an organism. You have to allow movement and ideas to flow. Putting somewhere in the space of segregation would normally considered an act of punishment.

This manager is clearly designed to be away from others. But they're simultaneously connected to power. Despite being alone, they're never alone. And none of their orders seem like those which they've thought themselves.

Whatever you're on, can I have some?

ReadingTim

elsien wrote: »

Whatever you're on, can I have some?

I think it's sour grapes, but whatever it is, it makes the OP very bitter...

robatwork

Well it took until the middle of page 2 to invoke G O D W I N ' S L A W I was holding out for another few pages until you went there.

milkand1sugar wrote: »

Oh dear, I'm holding out until you say anything sensible. But I'm afraid it could be a very long time!

Nobody seems to have said it but you seem like a nightmare of an employee and perhaps there's a reason why you're there looking up at the "cream" who have been promoted "way beyond their abilities".

You seem to have a sense of entitlement that I can't imagine is going to go over well out there in the real world.

Here's something sensible:

I'm out.

milkand1sugar

elsien wrote: »

Whatever you're on, can I have some?

I'm disappointed you and others find my post incomprehensible. Maybe it's wordy, but even the middle management here would grasp and empathise, and if you personally can't, why not ask me instead of joking around that you can't understand something? If what I'm talking about is too hard for you, why reply to me.

This manager is separated from the rest, even the rest of other management. They exist in some sort of pre-designed "bubble". They exit it only to shout and complain at others. They are invulnerable to any kind of counter-suggestions. Their mere presence is highly disruptive even if they're being nice.

Without defined boundaries, and with such an unstable personality, they cause chaos. Everyone dreads their appearance. Their perspective is "living for the moment" and they hate learning. No one like that has got around by competence. It's certain that another factor is involved.

Our instincts tell us they are not here for reasons which most of us would have, such as ability or reason, and we suspect they could potentially be illegal. My suspicion is drugs (their brain seems completely fried), illicit relationships (they don't appear to have any moral limits), and blackmailing or some kind of subterfuge. They're definitely in the "thug" category of psychology and get off over causing others to fear them.

ReadingTim wrote: »

I think it's sour grapes, but whatever it is, it makes the OP very bitter...

Good point. I admit to being jealous of that kind of status and support, considering how basic their tasks are. I'd like that too. But could I do their job better than theirs? My suspicion is that it's an unreal position, created out of nowhere especially for them, by an unknown source from others in the background somewhere. And also there's nothing to envy about something that's not actually "real".

robatwork wrote: »

Nobody seems to have said it but you seem like a nightmare of an employee and perhaps there's a reason why you're there looking up at the "cream" who have been promoted "way beyond their abilities".

Companies don't tend to give "nightmare" employees raises and bonuses. Perhaps the "nightmare" you face is that you simply find this too hard, it's just complicated and difficult, so you resort to personal insults and let's lay the "slam down" and you find that doesn't work either! Oh no! What a nightmare. Lesson: don't try to attack people for no reason.

robatwork wrote: »

Here's something sensible:

I'm out.

Couldn't agree more.

silverwhistle

Jeez, is this thread still going? I suspect many of us have had less than competent managers, but I bet we didn't spend hours on-line whingeing about them.


The more the OP goes on the more it looks like that they are the problem.

Manxman_in_exile

elsien wrote: »

Whatever you're on, can I have some?

I was going to agree with you (I read it four times and could make no sense of it). But then I got scared when I read #65 and realised that in the eyes of the OP we are really stupid people - even stupider than their middle managers.


The irony is I was a NHS manager and used to write guff like that for a living. Funny thing is, no-one knew what I did and nobody knew how I got the job - especially those who appointed me!

Manxman_in_exile

robatwork wrote: »

Well it took until the middle of page 2 to invoke G O D W I N ' S L A W I was holding out for another few pages until you went there.

I nearly mentioned Hitler in one of the EU threads the other day, but didn't. Think I got away with it. (Oh DAMN - I've mentioned him!)

Manxman_in_exile

OP - I used to challenge management above me frequently. When we merged with another trust I was one of the first to be dispensed with. Surprisingly (or not surprisingly according to my colleagues) the trust could find no suitable alternative employment for me - but then nobody knew what I did and I wasn't telling...


I'm happy to know that my former employer is now one of the worst performing trusts in the country.


Get a new job and revel in that schadenfreude as your old employer goes down the tube.

Kentish_Dave

silverwhistle wrote: »

Jeez, is this thread still going? I suspect many of us have had less than competent managers, but I bet we didn't spend hours on-line whingeing about them.

The more the OP goes on the more it looks like that they are the problem.

Agreed. Their agression, poor English, solipsism and confusion paints a pretty clear picture.

There seems to be a bit or a superiority complex emerging, too, in putting down others’ intelligence when someone points out the strange rambling writing.

I found it difficult at times after finishing a very good degree to work for people who were not great at what they did but I still learned what I could from them and worked to move on to better jobs, even changing career to work with better people.

What I didn’t do was to whine like the OP.

getmore4less

Kentish_Dave wrote: »

Agreed. Their agression, poor English, solipsism and confusion paints a pretty clear picture.

There seems to be a bit or a superiority complex emerging, too, in putting down others’ intelligence when someone points out the strange rambling writing.

I found it difficult at times after finishing a very good degree to work for people who were not great at what they did but I still learned what I could from them and worked to move on to better jobs, even changing career to work with better people.

What I didn’t do was to whine like the OP.

Reminds me of my first real job for a company(world leaders in their field) that was embracing the is new thing computer technologies and employed a lot of people in the main computer offices on a lot of projects.

One of the successful middle/project managers summed up their success.

Surround yourself with smart people and you will be successful.

They would make sure that of the 100s of engineers the smart ones would get migrated to their projects and would build balanced teams that could get the job done.

Another thing I learnt during that era was you don't need all your people to be the smartest available, for some tasks you need reliable.

Critical that you also learn from experience, not just your own but others.