Manager is completely incompetent

Les79

Boring thread. When Jeremy Kyle gets back on air give him a call

robatwork

Les79 wrote: »

Boring thread. When Jeremy Kyle gets back on air give him a call

Au contraire Rodney. It's N O T B O R I N G

Please continue

kattie89

We had a problem like that in our company, but we fired our incompetent 2 workers, and hired a new ONE. And now it's much better.

milkand1sugar

robatwork wrote: »

Please continue

Oh wow brilliant! Cheers, thanks for your permission

My own theory is that they get around like this by simply being brutal. Their stupidity isn't a liability as such; because the work we do is so precise, there are huge consequences when they make their decisions, and these in turn create such disaster-prone situations where their brutality can sometimes be welcome because some people really get fed up, start acting up and need to be told off.

Most, if not all of my job is heavily data-driven, and the processes we have are quite delicate. They don't understand this at all so we're constantly running around putting out fires. Luckily someone along the line has roughly identified this and relegated their duties to a minimal effect; still it begs the question why they are even here if they can't do anything right?

Something interesting today is how companies are waking up to data. You'll see it everywhere: retail, insurance, engineering, even areas like catering. Everyone is becoming interested in these wonderful tools we have and it's great. But you have to treat information with respect otherwise it just becomes meaningless. I think that's a challenge that companies need to step up and face.

kattie89 wrote: »

We had a problem like that in our company, but we fired our incompetent 2 workers, and hired a new ONE. And now it's much better.

So you had a problem with an incompetent manager. Therefore you fired the workers underneath them and hired one person to do the work of two people. And now it's much better. :wall:

Kentish_Dave

If you could do a better job than them then why not apply for one somewhere else and do it?

I’ve had bad managers too, and learned enough from them (I.e. what not to do) to make improvements in my own roles.

Look, learn, and then use what you know to move ahead.

There’s no harm having a rant on here but I really hope that that’s not all that you do. What happens next is in your own hands, so what’s it to be?

milkand1sugar

Kentish_Dave wrote: »

If you could do a better job than them then why not apply for one somewhere else and do it?

This is tricky, because the nature of what they do is kept quite hidden. While they definitely take responsibility for some specific complicated admin tasks, they're nothing that a seasoned clerk or otherwise resourceful person couldn't deal with, and little else is revealed.

Again, they mostly work from home. We have several offices around the country, and occasionally they will travel to one of them, sometimes ours. When they're here, they will usually be in meetings with other managers. Occasionally they will offload a problem or two which is fair enough. My instincts tell me it's unlikely they meet directly with our clients.

If they're in charge of "formulating strategy" and "corporate planning" they're in the wrong job for sure. We all agree they don't hold the fundamental attributes for leadership. Their intelligence is amazingly poor. Their e-mails are embarrassing to look at because they don't really understand grammar. Many of their interactions will be arguing with other parties and/or telling someone off for the sake of it. It may be the case that they barely do anything at all.

Evidence suggests that they are tasked by their own manager to take on tasks which they define and scope for them. They would have to put an extraordinary amount of work in this though when it could easily be accomplished by simply having a dedicated part time admin person. So that doesn't make sense either.

Therefore we've entertained that they're blackmailing someone, sleeping with someone etc. it just doesn't make sense. And no I would not put that pass them, they seem to have no morals at all.

Kentish_Dave wrote: »

There’s no harm having a rant on here but I really hope that that’s not all that you do. What happens next is in your own hands, so what’s it to be?

Hmmm, I wouldn't say I'm having a rant. It's certainly an anomaly to us all but it is hardly an issue that affects my life. It's an unusual situation and I am just speaking my mind. The responses here are very aggressive so I don't have an issue batting that back either, I've learned there's no shortage of cowards on the internet.

dlmcr

Internet forums like this one are a free place within reason and of course you have the right to post about your perceived issues in the way that you have done, however it is also anybody else's right to post in any way they would like to do so in response to anything that you have said. The fact that you call people cowards because their opinion differs from yours shows a lack of depth of character and an inability to articulate your argument in the correct way.



It doesn't really matter what your opinion is of this manager because you are not the one paying him / her. He / she is given their job for reasons that are not relevant for you to know.


This is an interesting thread to read for information, however if you feel that you have a serious issue with the current situation then the most constructive solution would be to seek alternative employment.

milkand1sugar

dlmcr wrote: »

Internet forums like this one are a free place within reason and of course you have the right to post about your perceived issues in the way that you have done, however it is also anybody else's right to post in any way they would like to do so in response to anything that you have said. The fact that you call people cowards because their opinion differs from yours shows a lack of depth of character and an inability to articulate your argument in the correct way.

Where do you people get off? I've hurt you. I'm sorry your ego is so fragile and you can't take what you dish out to others. You'd make an excellent authoritarian.

dlmcr wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what your opinion is of this manager because you are not the one paying him / her. He / she is given their job for reasons that are not relevant for you to know.

You'd do great in nazi Germany!

This viewpoint is entirely unethical and irresponsible. I deal with the client on a regular basis; I can't let their documentation standards fail because someone tells me to. If I was ordered to do something obviously wrong, and potentially incur danger to our contractors, my response would be no.

Moreover I'm trying to leave my job and discovering that many companies are picking up on the idea of challenging authority. This isn't easy for most people; after all, as they put their livelihoods into their careers. Yet there's value to be had in saying "no".

I think your viewpoint is flawed and not relevant in commerce. We already demand more as consumers, let alone corporations. If the entirety of your perspective is to always back the strongest party, simply because they are, I disagree that they're intrinsically right.

dlmcr wrote: »

This is an interesting thread to read for information, however if you feel that you have a serious issue with the current situation then the most constructive solution would be to seek alternative employment.

How many times do I have to say it? The entire department wants answers. Should we all uproot and find alternative careers based on your thoughts?

gettingtheresometime

milkand1sugar wrote: »

Hmmm, I wouldn't say I'm having a rant. It's certainly an anomaly to us all but it is hardly an issue that affects my life. It's an unusual situation and I am just speaking my mind. The responses here are very aggressive so I don't have an issue batting that back either, I've learned there's no shortage of cowards on the internet.

But what business is it of yours a) how they got the job & b) how they've kept it?

As for speaking your mind I'd be careful. I'm sure your colleagues would melt into the background rather than support your point of view should the manager hear of your opinions & decide to take appropriate action.

BrassicWoman

milkand1sugar wrote: »

This is tricky, because the nature of what they do is kept quite hidden.

have you asked them what they do, or for a day job shadowing?