Indicative Vote

Thrugelmir

BikingBud wrote: »

Unfortunately as we are plagued with politicians, you are probably correct.

https://www.timelytreasure.com/great-statesman-and-their-qualities/


To be a true statesman, a leader must possess 4 critical qualities:

A bedrock of principles.
A moral compass.
A vision.
The ability to build a consensus to achieve that vision.

May's downfall is no4

Not May's job to have vision. Just deliver what people voted for. Next generation will create the future by grabbing the opportunity.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

From YouGov polling data last week....

Rich2808

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

From YouGov polling data last week....

They never do anyway.

We elected majority governments in 2005 and 2015 which 63% of those voting didn't vote for. Didn't stop Blair and Cameron from doing what they want.

We are rarely governed by the majority - just the votes of the largest minority. And most people's votes never count as they live in safe seats - for many 23 June 2016 was the first time in their life they could actually vote to change things. And they got Theresa May and Phillip Hammond - and it seems now probably no Brexit.

Some might think - why bother!

Takedap

Thrugelmir wrote: »

IQ doesn't measure common sense though.

No. But it does test things like analytical thinking & mathematical ability. In general it tests for the ability to take in & process information & assesses your capacity to learn.

stator

Takedap wrote: »

Not true. For instance, if your sample size was only 10 people & 9 of them had an IQ of 100 & the other had an IQ of 110.

The average IQ would be 101 so 90% would be below average.

But it is true if you're using the median average instead of the mean average.
I prefer to use the modal average, which makes me way above average intellegence.

jonnygee2

I'm all for consensus, but to be fair, with whom would she have built consensus?

With her own cabinet for starters, then with her party, then with parliament.

She negotiated the whole thing almost in secret. She surprised her own cabinet several times, causing waves of resignations, parliament didn't get any sort of say until the last minute - in fact her obviously futile strategy with parliament was to try and somehow prevent them from getting a vote. Then the strategy was simply to run the clock down and try and make them vote for her.

At this point, consensus is impossible, but that's surely in part because absolutely none was sought early on. She should have been building support for what she was doing from the moment she became prime minister - not seeking it a few days before the exit date!

sevenhills

jonnygee2 wrote: »

At this point, consensus is impossible, but that's surely in part because absolutely none was sought early on. She should have been building support for what she was doing from the moment she became prime minister - not seeking it a few days before the exit date!

She sought support from within her own party, dispitethe fact the she was kept in office by the DUP who would quite clearly be against a deal which caused a border to be required in Ireland.
You are correct, she should have sought to do a deal with the greatest amount of support, Labour and TIGs, instead of a hardline Conservative Brexit.
But her deal was based on the 2017 Tory manifesto.

kinger101

stator wrote: »

But it is true if you're using the median average instead of the mean average.
I prefer to use the modal average, which makes me way above average intellegence.

For the 11-person sample presented, the mean was an inappropriate average. The mean is suitable when there's a normal distribution of data. The median should have been used. The mode would be incorrect, as IQ scores are ordinal rather than nominal.

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

To be a true statesman, a leader must possess 4 critical qualities:

A bedrock of principles.
A moral compass.
A vision.
The ability to build a consensus to achieve that vision.

May's downfall is no4

She's pretty sketchy on 1-3, too.

melanzana

@BobQ

In fairness with FPTP in place for so long now, who the heck (including Government) would understand STV.

It is not an easy system to understand at counting of votes and transferring eliminated votes and redistributions and all the rest of it, but it is so TOTALLY representative, so it gets my vote!