PCN Parking Eye at a Hospital

MistyZ

JamoLew wrote: »

If I paid for 1 hour parking, I would expect a ticket after overstaying 30min not look for legal loopholes to wriggle out of it

Partly as a result of similar discussions, I've resolved to take even more care when parking in hospital car parks than I do already. But that's after someone pointed out that hospital trusts really struggle with parking space for their staff, let alone patients.

However, I know all too well the state of mind that often goes with hospital visits. Many patients and visitors will be very distracted to say the least. Often the car is the only realistic method of transport. And, increasingly, more and more people need to count every penny.

One slip up and the PPCs are in like Flynn .... the same PPCs that rarely install clear signage and almost never consider compelling mitigation. They do not request the parking fee plus a small admin charge, but proceed to demand significant sums of money with menaces. There's the prospect of threatening debt collectors' letters, of court proceedings. They treat the public as a cash cow, it's blatant.

They rake in plenty of money, they really don't need you to defend them. Motorists on the other hand pay up way too often!

Coupon-mad

JamoLew wrote: »

Not defending Parking Eye at all, but how have you concluded that it is/was a scam PCN.

The NHS Car Parking Principles mean the regime shouldn't even be there.

It is a national disgrace that P/Eye ANPR cameras lurk in Hospital car parks.

Guys_Dad

JamoLew wrote: »

Not defending Parking Eye at all, but how have you concluded that it is/was a scam PCN.
The OP admitted to overstaying a 1 hour period by 33 minutes and would thus be in breach of contract no ?
As there are no details of the PCN or photos of the sites and signage, I fail to see how you concluded that in this case it was/is a scam ?? (Probably was/is) but you don't know for sure.
I think this is becoming more of an issue, where people are looking for loopholes to escape their responsibilities and failure to comply with simple instructions.
If I paid for 1 hour parking, I would expect a ticket after overstaying 30min not look for legal loopholes to wriggle out of it

I will tell you why it was a scam.
To make the registered keeper liable under POFA 2012, a PCN as a result of ANPR, has to be served 14 days after the event.

The event was 15th February and PCN was dated 1st March.

POFA says it would be deemed delivered 2 days after it was sent and the earliest it could have been posted was March 1st, obviously.

15th February was a Friday, as was 1st March.

POFA states that weekends don't count for delivery so earliest date of delivery would be Tuesday 5th March which is outside the 14 days.

If PPCs want to enforce rules, then let them abide by them as well.

JamoLew

Thanks Guys Dad, that kind of clarifies it in my mind somewhat.

Just for clarification tho, if the event was an 15/02 and the PCN was received 01/03 , I still don't understand how this is "no later than 14 days after the vehicle was parked" as the difference is exactly 14 days.

I read that as you have to receive the PCN 14 days or less from the event otherwise POFA was not met.

Am I reading this all wrong ?

KeithP

JamoLew wrote: »

Thanks Guys Dad, that kind of clarifies it in my mind somewhat.

Just for clarification tho, if the event was an 15/02 and the PCN 01/03 , I still don't understand how this is "no later than 14 days after the vehicle was parked" as the difference is exactly 14 days.

If the PCN was dated 1st March then it cannot possibly be received by the Registered Keeper before 3rd March.
POFA states 'two days allowed for delivery' or words to that effect.

JamoLew

Ah, got it now thanks !! Having a dim moment.

I still think in a lot of cases "scam " is not an appropriate description.

If people didn't overstay then they wouldn't be giving these companies the opportunity in the first place. (Just my opinion)

KeithP

Just a slight correction to my earlier post, making it even more certain that the PCN could not have been delivered within the prescribed time...

As 1st March was a Friday, and non-working days are not included in delivery times, the earliest that the PCN could've been received by the [STRIKE]victim[/STRIKE] Registered Keeper was Tuesday 5th March.

unknown_user

Sorry I should of added some more information. I must say there is a 20 minute free Parking so you can park up 80 minutes with 1 hour paid ticket. ,My issue was with the timings (ANPR) times start when you enter but not yet parked and also delay getting parked and my main issue being overrun due to issues with a meeting a Doctor.