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  • hollydays
    hollydays Posts: 19,812 Forumite
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    baza52 wrote: »
    I think you know full well which statistics i am refering to.
    Perhaps you could provide a more accurate statistic as you seem to know more than me

    You are avoiding saying it?
    Why would that be , now?
  • Guerillatoker
    Guerillatoker Posts: 625 Forumite
    edited 1 March 2019 at 7:14PM
    baza52 wrote: »
    https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

    any thoughts on this article? do you not agree the statistics are very worrying.

    Did you know the founder of Quilliam, the org that conducted this study, was racially assaulted for being Asian a few weeks ago. Fun fact.


    You know what, just to nip this one in the bud I'll take the bait. Narrowing down rape convictions to "grooming gang" and "non-grooming gang" pedophilia is of no use to anyone but those looking to evidence their agenda. You'll note that the study is only concerned with grooming gangs, not lone wolves or members of child pornography rings. This creates a false narrative that there's loads more Pakistani pedophiles than other ethnicities when it cannot be evidenced by quality, holistic research.

    Quilliam likes to see itself as an organisation bridging the gap between radicals on both sides, hence why they got Tommy Robinson on board. I'm more inclined to think that all they do is appease people on both sides and are not a reliable or trustworthy source.

    Now I'll do something that TR and his ilk like to do. Challenge you with a hostile leading question: Do you support lone wolf pedophiles and CP rings?
  • baza52
    baza52 Posts: 3,029 Forumite
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    hollydays wrote: »
    You are avoiding saying it?
    Why would that be , now?
    ok the statistic of the number of Asian men involved in grooming gangs.
  • baza52
    baza52 Posts: 3,029 Forumite
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    Did you know the founder of Quilliam, the org that conducted this study, was racially assaulted for being Asian a few weeks ago. Fun fact.
    and that is relevant in what way?
  • baza52
    baza52 Posts: 3,029 Forumite
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    Did you know the founder of Quilliam, the org that conducted this study, was racially assaulted for being Asian a few weeks ago. Fun fact.


    You know what, just to nip this one in the bud I'll take the bait. Narrowing down rape convictions to "grooming gang" and "non-grooming gang" pedophilia is of no use to anyone but those looking to evidence their agenda. You'll note that the study is only concerned with grooming gangs, not lone wolves or members of child pornography rings. This creates a false narrative that there's loads more Pakistani pedophiles than other ethnicities when it cannot be evidenced by quality, holistic research.

    Now I'll do something that TR and his ilk like to do. Challenge you with a hostile leading question: Do you support lone wolf pedophiles and CP rings?

    Had to re quote as you edited the original.

    The problem i have with the pakistani grooming gangs is that they appear to be targeting white girls and if it were white gangs targetting pakistani girls it would be talked about a lot more and no doubt the "racist or racism" card would be plastered all over it.

    Of course i do not support any kind of !!!!!philes and im sure you dont as well.
    do you not consider that it is also a form of racism which should be addressed and looked into?
  • Guerillatoker
    Guerillatoker Posts: 625 Forumite
    edited 1 March 2019 at 7:49PM
    baza52 wrote: »
    Had to re quote as you edited the original.

    The problem i have with the pakistani grooming gangs is that they appear to be targeting white girls and if it were white gangs targetting pakistani girls it would be talked about a lot more and no doubt the "racist or racism" card would be plastered all over it.

    Of course i do not support any kind of !!!!!philes and im sure you dont as well.
    do you not consider that it is also a form of racism which should be addressed and looked into?


    Yeah I tend to edit my original post when I get new thoughts after posting, no deceit intended. (Just noticed I must have added another little bit after your reply).

    There is no need for it to be investigated as a form of racism as they are already being prosecuted for child sex offences.

    There are non-white victims as well as white co-offenders in the popular grooming gang cases.
  • Comms69
    Comms69 Posts: 14,229 Forumite
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    Racially aggravating factors should be taken into account. Just from the perspective of the law
  • Guerillatoker
    Guerillatoker Posts: 625 Forumite
    edited 1 March 2019 at 8:13PM
    Comms69 wrote: »
    Racially aggravating factors should be taken into account. Just from the perspective of the law

    That is a matter for the court and not a reason for people not privy to court proceedings to kick up a fuss about.

    EDIT: I suppose it depends what baza52 means by "investigated" - the police will investigate all factors relevant to the case, so it will be investigated if it is relevant. It isn't necessary to secure a conviction for the sex offences so will just be supplied to the prosecution to be included in arguments during sentence mitigation.
  • hollydays
    hollydays Posts: 19,812 Forumite
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    baza52 wrote: »
    and that is relevant in what way?

    Because it's a fact,not an opinion.
  • hollydays
    hollydays Posts: 19,812 Forumite
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    The sad footsoldiers of TR have followed his commands to try to cause a storm now he's banned from Facebook.
    The far right is hijacking the grooming issue,to recruit the proletariat
    in fact it seems it's the main thing they talk about.Not healthy imho.
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