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Xircom

Hello Everyone

I’m new to this site but thought I join just to get the head up and some good advice. First the bad move I made.. (you plonker Rodney) OK so I parked in Charlton-!!!-Hardy 20 Nov 2018 and I had 1/2 a wheel over the white bay line (Bad parking) any how’s... I got a ticket never saw the ticket ( I founded it 2 months later when I had put windscreen washer in my car, it had slipped into the engine bay. So, carry on, I received a letter today saying “Demand for Payment” big red letters cost £160.00 dead line 08/03/2018 so I phoned them and asked what this charge is for, Liam “that the chap who spoke with me” said for a parking contravention, I asked where?
Square Shopping Centre Car Park “Charlton-!!!-hardy”
When “20 Nov 2018”
Liam “We sent a Letter on 24 Jan 2019”
Me “No never received a letter”
Me “I’ll check the company diary, yes the car was in Charlton-!!!-hard, yes the car was parked in that car park, at 13:30pm, at what time was the ticket issued?”
Liam 13:53pm
the car was " parked at 13:30Pm” So I'm happy to say yes it our company car and were willing to pay the initial fine, so long as you can show us that you sent the initial letter, which you said you sent on 24/1/2019”
Liam “No ; we sent the letter as per the county courts, we would like full payment”
Me “ No that not fair, I never received the first letter, tell you what, it a company car, I was there, so I’ll pay the initial fine so long as you can sent me the first letter and proof of delivery?” that fair.
Liam “No I want full payment, or we will continue on the Debt recover plan”
Me” Oh, that not good, ok well I made you and offer, you refused it, so I suppose we will have to follow your plan.
Liam “Hanged Up”

Ok so my big mistake was talking to the guys, I drafted a letter admitting that it our company car, that we would be willing to pay the initial fine, I also stated that I consider the new demand £160.00 to be disproportionate to the actual financial loss that the company has made given that It was parked in say two parking bay for 2 hours at £2.10 and we paid £2.10 to park in one, so the loss is £2.10

I then looked at the issue of signs and ANPR Cameras, I spoke with a Planning Office, who told me that “they not had any planning orders on that car park or entrance, since 1993, when they applied to have 2 speed bumps and two pay stations installed” he then told me that they never applied for permission on ANPR and that he worked on an order for McDonald’s to have two ANPR but found that ANPR are not covered on any UK.Gov Instructions.

So… How this goes,

1. Do I stop communicating with them?
2. Send the Letter and wait for them to say.. No, we want our money, given that I already spoke to them, have some fun, playing on the fact that I made them an offer, any Judge would say well he made you an offer and through it out, that’s my thinking
3. Go with the fight that you have no planning permissions for the ANPR on poles, not fixed to building and no planning permission for sings, “which they don’t need” but has it a contract agreement they need son consent permission or?? Something like that?

I happy to accept any advice.. so long as you don’t say pay the !!!!!!s. I happy for you to call me a BLONKER for talking to them.. bad move but it’s done. Thanks Guys & Gals

Xircom

Fight_the_good_fight

Firstly you need to edit your post of any personal details.

Secondly you need to read the newbies thread several times, where you will not only get answers to your question including never communicate with them in person and trying to appeal to their better nature is fruitless.

On reading the newbies thread you will have a far better understanding of what game you are involved in and how this plays out and what to do.

No one on here will ever tell you to pay but to fight the bar stewards as per the guidelines, yes you’ve guessed it all contained in the self explanatory newbies thread.

Planning permission is a moot point and not a winning position on its own. (Many more winning points contained in the newbies threads)

During your conversation with Liam did you admit to being the driver?

Is the car registered to you or a hire/lease/ business car?

Once you have read the newbies thread you will understand the importance of when posting on here no personal details and only reference the driver did this or that never I.

beamerguy

Well well (you plonker Rodney)

You are in good company, we already have Del Boy on here

It's because the PPC's read this forum, that you must edit your post, IE nobody was driving but they contacted the keeper

Bad move talking to Liam, his job is to scam you of your money

As VCS belong to the scam IPC/IAS, you have lost nothing by not appealing to the mickey mouse set up. Too late now

Next step will be their mates, the ever so powerless debt collectors who come out with the utmost rubbish you will ever read.

Debt Collectors (DRP & ZZPS & Zenith)
What they don't want you to know
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/74439905#Comment_74439905

Then read up on VCS
https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/search?q=VCS

And their sister company EXCEL
https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/search?q=EXCEL

Gets to grips with this bunch, I am sure you are more intelligent
than they are

fisherjim

You don't have a "fine"
Liam can continue with his debt recovery plan, you should now continue to ignore it.
Liam can't take court action.
Don't speak to the idiots again.

Follow the advice above and fight the muppets.

The_Deep

Never telephone a scammer, if they take you to court you will need a paper trail.

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors. Is has been suggested by an MP that some of these companies may have connections to organised crime.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, (especially Smart}, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week), hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers.

Sir Greg Knight's Private Members Bill to curb the excesses, and perhaps close down, some of these companies passed its Second Reading in the Lords this month, and, with a fair wind, will l become Law later this year..

All five readings are available to watch on the internet, (some 7-8 hours), and published in Hansard. MPs have an extremely low opinion of the industry. Many are complaining that they are becoming overwhelmed by complaints from members of the public. Add to their burden, complain in the most robust terms about the scammers.

Ledg

Help.


I parked in a local carpark. I paid for a ticket - (which the guy checking the tickets on the car advised the location code for me) ....I then returned to my car and had a pcn on the car. I appealed against the parking ticket that evening and heard nothing until yesterday, demanding £160.00. I have spoken to the debt management department (I spoke to a complete arrogant !!!!), explained that I hadn't received any emails or letters until this one yesterday (which was dated 18.02.19) didn't care and said pay up in full!!! What should I do? Cant see where it says invoice or fine on the paperwork - it just say DEMAND FOR PAYMENT!!! Please help.

Ledg

What I didn't cover was that apparently I was parked in an area designated for a company that was in administration.

Coupon-mad

Ledg, this is not your thread.

Please don't post on other people's threads. PLEASE DELETE YOUR POSTS.

See my signature, below, click back 2 clicks and read:

NEWBIES PLEASE READ THESE FAQS FIRST

Xircom

Hello loyal Advisors

I take the step of ignoring this charge, however, to be honest I feel that I should write to them and point out

1. Were a Limited company and the charge is made out to a limited company (no names on any paperwork)
2. The car a lease car and used as a pool car
3. As managing Director (I suppose I'm liable)

Do I still take that path ignore or do I challenge?

Thanks for all you help.

Le_Kirk

I am very confused - ignore what? Do you have LBC/LBA/LBCCC or court papers or just debt collectors letters? Do not ignore LBC or court papers. DO ignore debt collectors but save all letters - just in case!

Xircom

Just standard Debit collectors letters, no Local Court or CCJ documents no statutory demand. Not sure what LBC/LBA/LBCCC mean but I think I get your drift, I've had nothing legal so what's to ignore