Uninformative invoice from roofer

societys_child

Not happy to pay the agreed price? You agreed that price, if you didn't want to pay it, why tf did you agree? FGS . .

waamo

aurion22 wrote: »

I'm not happy that he's charging me VAT when he doesn't pay it.

What makes you think he doesn't pay it? The fact he hasn't given you a vat number doesn't mean he doesn't pay VAT

societys_child

aurion22 wrote: »

I'm not happy that he's charging me VAT when he doesn't pay it.

How do you know that?


I've had VAT registered businesses, I had no reason to provide a consumer with a VAT invoice.

davidmcn

aurion22 wrote: »

I still don't think someone has the right to charge me VAT if they don't pay it.

No, they shouldn't be charging VAT if they don't pay it, but that's a matter between them and HMRC. You don't have the right to demand evidence of whether they're entitled to charge VAT, especially if you've agreed a VAT-inclusive price.

According to Gov.UK (https://www.gov.uk/invoicing-and-taking-payment-from-customers/invoices-what-they-must-include):


Invoices - what they must include

Your invoice must include:

• a unique identification number
• your company name, address and contact information
• the company name and address of the customer you’re invoicing
• a clear description of what you’re charging for
• the date the goods or service were provided (supply date)
• the date of the invoice
• the amount(s) being charged
• VAT amount if applicable
• the total amount owed

Sole trader invoices

If you’re a sole trader, the invoice must also include:

• your name and any business name being used
• an address where any legal documents can be delivered to you if you are using a business name

I know they say "must" there, but I'm not aware of any of that being a legal requirement other than where the transaction is between two VAT-registered entities.

Gavin83

It's irrelevant anyway. You agreed to pay £220 and refused the cheaper price. Pay the £220 you agreed to. The time to dispute this was before the work was completed.

gettingtheresometime

Anyone else thinking this isn't about vat but income tax?

If the OP paid £190 cash then that's £190 that never hits the books so doesn't attract corporation tax (if applicable) and the builder has £190 in his back pocket that he can withdraw from the business with no one the wiser & doesn't pay income tax on it.

societys_child

Anyone else thinking this isn't about vat but income tax?

Not really.

Many businesses are cash. Gardeners, widow cleaners, odd job men etc, etc.
Are they all paying no tax?

gettingtheresometime

societys_child wrote: »

Not really.

Many businesses are cash. Gardeners, widow cleaners, odd job men etc, etc.
Are they all paying no tax?

It's far easier to dupe the authorities out of tax if paid in cash than if it has to go through the books.

HMRC have been known to sit outside takeaways (which are predominantly cash businesses) to suss out the volume of trade. They also look at the amount of say food containers are bought & then compare that to the amount of declared sales. If the two don't match up then they will assume that there's dodgy dealings going on.

waamo

gettingtheresometime wrote: »

It's far easier to dupe the authorities out of tax if [STRIKE]paid in cash than if it has to go through the books.[/STRIKE] your rich

Fixed it for you.

Aylesbury_Duck

aurion22 wrote: »

When I agreed to pay £220 it was on the understanding that this figure included VAT. As I see it, he shouldn't charge me for a tax he doesn't have to pay.



I've asked about this here in the hope that someone more familiar with the workings of VAT would be able to enlighten me.

No, you’ve asked on here because you want people to back your view.

You’ve clearly made your mind up and are convinced you’re right, so why bother asking for people’s advice? It would have been much simpler for you to tell us what you wanted to hear.