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  • phillw
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    Expected profit as opposed to interest is a source of concern for some.
    What is the concern? If you get notification of the expected profit being decreased then you transfer elsewhere, in the same way you would if you were notified of a decrease in interest.

  • intalex
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    phillw said:
    Expected profit as opposed to interest is a source of concern for some.
    What is the concern? If you get notification of the expected profit being decreased then you transfer elsewhere, in the same way you would if you were notified of a decrease in interest.

    How does it work with fixed rate accounts?
    Can they legally reduce the expected profit with a nominal notice period that is less than the remaining term?
  • Sensory
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    intalex said:
    phillw said:
    Expected profit as opposed to interest is a source of concern for some.
    What is the concern? If you get notification of the expected profit being decreased then you transfer elsewhere, in the same way you would if you were notified of a decrease in interest.

    How does it work with fixed rate accounts?
    Can they legally reduce the expected profit with a nominal notice period that is less than the remaining term?
    Yes, but they then allow to close the account early, paying all expected profit to the date of closure at the previously agreed fixed rate.
  • intalex
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    Sensory said:
    intalex said:
    phillw said:
    Expected profit as opposed to interest is a source of concern for some.
    What is the concern? If you get notification of the expected profit being decreased then you transfer elsewhere, in the same way you would if you were notified of a decrease in interest.

    How does it work with fixed rate accounts?
    Can they legally reduce the expected profit with a nominal notice period that is less than the remaining term?
    Yes, but they then allow to close the account early, paying all expected profit to the date of closure at the previously agreed fixed rate.
    Isn't that a deal breaker though? After all, the customer doesn't get such a break clause should rates go higher...
  • Sensory
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    edited 16 November 2022 at 3:39PM
    intalex said:
    Sensory said:
    intalex said:
    phillw said:
    Expected profit as opposed to interest is a source of concern for some.
    What is the concern? If you get notification of the expected profit being decreased then you transfer elsewhere, in the same way you would if you were notified of a decrease in interest.

    How does it work with fixed rate accounts?
    Can they legally reduce the expected profit with a nominal notice period that is less than the remaining term?
    Yes, but they then allow to close the account early, paying all expected profit to the date of closure at the previously agreed fixed rate.
    Isn't that a deal breaker though? After all, the customer doesn't get such a break clause should rates go higher...
    No, the account's terms and conditions are clear. If the bank cannot meet its target profit, the customer's deposit can be released from the fixed term; this is the 'deal' as agreed upon application.

    Rates 'going higher' is irrelevant.

    For this reason, I opt for traditional fixed terms myself.
  • intalex
    intalex Posts: 985 Forumite
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    Right so it is a deal breaker for you, as it is for me
  • Sensory
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    intalex said:
    Right so it is a deal breaker for you, as it is for me
    I thought you were asking whether the banks were breaking any deals, as opposed to asking hypothetically about whether the condition was acceptable from a general customer standpoint.
  • Malchester
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    edited 16 November 2022 at 5:44PM
    I've had an account with Al Rayan but didng stay long as I had all sorts of issues with them but this was nothing to do with being Sharia bank but their incompetence. On the other hand I  have accounts with Gatehouse Bank who are Sharia and, I have them to be excellent. Customers will have issues with all banks from time to time, Sharia or otherwise. And there is always the get out of withdrawing if expected profit is not met and being paid expected profit up to withdrawal.
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