Honda to close UK car plant in 2022, risking 3,500 jobs

movilogo

This is exactly why Brexit happened.

Elites don't want to acknowledge the concerns raised by common public.

Denying a problem exists does not make it go away - rather makes it far worse.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

Why do we need to kill populism and rise of right?

Let's kill off rise of left and elitism instead

Blaming the left who haven't even been in power in recent times is deluded. Capitalism has caused all this by creating inequality and leaving people behind. Very much right wing free market economics - immigration included

As for the "elites" they've always been in power and always will be.

spadoosh

Herzlos wrote: »

A shakeup of British politics is needed, but is Brexit going to be the catalyst? What's actually going to change?


I mean, if we're lucky, the Tory party will disintegrate and we might get some more options, but the same corrupt elite are still going to be there, the press is still run by the same people, the corporations are still run by the same people, there will be less rights for those without money/power.


We certainly need to own our failures, and I agree that learning from this is the only way to kill off populism and the rise of the right - it rarely survives any success.

Yeh i think brexit will be a catalyst for change. The outcome is somewhat questionable as itll depend on voters mood at any given time.

I struggle to see my MP keeping her seat. I struggle to see the populous being keen to vote red or blue like always,m just particularly keen not to vote whichever way. Opportunity is there as leave, remain, red or blue very few people are impressed by our parliament and brexit has shone a huge beacon on the flaw that is party politics.

spadoosh

andrewf75 wrote: »

Blaming the left who haven't even been in power in recent times is deluded. Capitalism has caused all this by creating inequality and leaving people behind. Very much right wing free market economics - immigration included

As for the "elites" they've always been in power and always will be.

My understanding of free market economies appears to not align with yours.

A large part of the problem of the UK leaving the EU is the trade arrangements and economic impact. If we had a free market economy, surely this problem wouldnt exist?

Its the opposite, leftie views of protectionism and taxation and leaving people behind that weve still not got rid of whilst moving more right.

andrewf75

spadoosh wrote: »

My understanding of free market economies appears to not align with yours.

A large part of the problem of the UK leaving the EU is the trade arrangements and economic impact. If we had a free market economy, surely this problem wouldnt exist?

Its the opposite, leftie views of protectionism and taxation and leaving people behind that weve still not got rid of whilst moving more right.

well yes I meant free market in the relative sense that we are one of the more free market countries in the world, but my point is the same - if we had a completely free economy as you say the majority would be much worse off, while a few get a lot richer.

spikyone

This thread is now a loooooong way off topic.

spadoosh

andrewf75 wrote: »

well yes I meant free market in the relative sense that we are one of the more free market countries in the world, but my point is the same - if we had a completely free economy as you say the majority would be much worse off, while a few get a lot richer.

Why and how would we be worse off?

The impetus would be on you to put your money where you want to. So if the rich get richer, itd just be because you (people) keep giving them your (their) money.

Right now the uk government have a preference to the goods i buy. Purely because it benefits people they want to be benefited. If i want cheap chlorinated chicken to save on my bills, the government decide that i shouldnt and apply tax on that. SO ive got a choice of paying the higher price or the lower price with the taxes to make it higher price. How does that make me better off? Welfare? But that less of a concern for me than the £s in my pocket when im jobless.

spadoosh

spikyone wrote: »

This thread is now a loooooong way off topic.

Yeh i keep doing that sorry.

To be fair theres two of them running.... did i take that one OT too?:o

andrewf75

spadoosh wrote: »

Right now the uk government have a preference to the goods i buy.

Yeah because they care about the overall well-being of the country.

Business doesn't.

But as pointed out its way off topic

fatbeetle

It may be convenient for some to jump on the “I told you so Brexit bandwagon”, but this is something of a red herring – the problem is more global.

For instance, over the past 20 or so years, Ford’s decision to halt vehicle production in the UK, GM’s to cease Vauxhall cars assembly at Luton, PSA’s ditching of its plant at Ryton were all based on economic or business conditions.

It is the same for Honda. It’s plant was built as a hedge against tariffs into the EU – actually the recent EU-Japan trade deal has rendered this obsolete so it could be argued as much to blame as Brexit.

Honda said in its statement that it needs to move more quickly to electrification while some ask why this can’t be done in the UK, as a business decision it would clearly be madness to do so.

Why? Because it sold around 136,000 vehicles a year across Europe last year – a tiny number when measured against global sales of 5.2 million. It sold more than 1.4 million cars in both the US and China in 2018.

The Swindon plant has the capacity to build 250,000 vehicles a year but hasn’t done so for a while and one line has been mothballed for some time now.

https://www.businessmotoring.co.uk/why-honda-is-closing-swindon/

But the remainers, whose sole purpose here is to put down the UK, will not see this.