Badge Ceiling?

motorguy

Car_54 wrote: »

The partnership with (and later takeover of) Skoda was part of an incredibly successful strategy which took VW from a niche producer of quaint rear-engined cars to be the world's biggest carmaker. Arguably priceless.

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VW bought Skoda in 1986. Well in to Golf mk2 territory, not VW Beetle.

AND, ironically, VW is now owned by a niche producer of quaint rear engined cars - Porsche.

facade

motorguy wrote: »

I honestly dont get Skoda as a brand. Their cars are close to VW pricing and you end up driving a car thats perceived as a value brand car that you've bought cheap, when you havent.

Which is what I was trying to say. Next door bought an UP! as a runabout and for the daughter to drive. I asked him why he didn't buy a Skoda (as they are cheaper) and he reckoned that to get the vital adjustable steering column, so he could actually drive it, he had to get either an UP! where it was standard, or the top of the range Skoda, which was the same price as the UP!


Daughter is a brand snob, and would rather have a VW than a Skoda, and the price was the same......

Nearly_Old

motorguy wrote: »

I honestly dont get Skoda as a brand. Their cars are close to VW pricing Not Always and you end up driving a car thats perceived as a value brand car that you've bought cheap, when you havent. In Your Opinion

Some Skoda models seem to fill the gaps in VW's range. We wanted to replace our Citroen C5 hatchbank which was the everyday go anywhere (B&Q, tip,etc) car with something similar. The Passat is only available as a saloon or estate - no hatchback. Golf is smaller but the estate has similar luggage space to the Octavia;
1 year old Octavia 1.4 Tsi Se 4,700 miles £14,500
1 year Golf Estate 1.4 TSi Se 5,000 niles £19,999
Same engine/gearbox/equipment levels.
So like for like (luggage space, engine size,equipment level) in our case the Skoda was around 20% less than the VW equivalent. But there must be some people who are willing to pay the extra just to get the VW badge

motorguy

facade wrote: »

Which is what I was trying to say. Next door bought an UP! as a runabout and for the daughter to drive. I asked him why he didn't buy a Skoda (as they are cheaper) and he reckoned that to get the vital adjustable steering column, so he could actually drive it, he had to get either an UP! where it was standard, or the top of the range Skoda, which was the same price as the UP!


Daughter is a brand snob, and would rather have a VW than a Skoda, and the price was the same......

Sorry, but thats just a chip on your shoulder.

If he'd paid more for the equivalent VW, then he'd have been a badge snob, paying the same for a different brand is just brand preference.

Car_54

motorguy wrote: »

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VW bought Skoda in 1986. Well in to Golf mk2 territory, not VW Beetle.

AND, ironically, VW is now owned by a niche producer of quaint rear engined cars - Porsche.

1991 actually, and SEAT in 1986. But the strategy predated both.

Anyway, whatever the dates, it’s pretty clear that VW’s acquisition of Skoda has been a success, despite ChrisK’s bewilderment.

motorguy

Nearly_Old wrote: »

Some Skoda models seem to fill the gaps in VW's range. We wanted to replace our Citroen C5 hatchbank which was the everyday go anywhere (B&Q, tip,etc) car with something similar. The Passat is only available as a saloon or estate - no hatchback. Golf is smaller but the estate has similar luggage space to the Octavia;
1 year old Octavia 1.4 Tsi Se 4,700 miles £14,500
1 year Golf Estate 1.4 TSi Se 5,000 niles £19,999
Same engine/gearbox/equipment levels.
So like for like (luggage space, engine size,equipment level) in our case the Skoda was around 20% less than the VW equivalent. But there must be some people who are willing to pay the extra just to get the VW badge

1 year old Octavia 1.4 Tsi Se < 10K miles start from £15495.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=al109ul&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=SKODA&model=OCTAVIA&aggregatedTrim=SE&year-from=2018&maximum-mileage=10000&body-type=Estate&fuel-type=Petrol&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4

1.4 TSI SE < 10K miles £18,000

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=al109ul&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=GOLF&year-from=2018&maximum-mileage=10000&body-type=Estate&fuel-type=Petrol&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4

Significant difference as you point out, though not as big as what you were seeing then. I suspect the rarity of the car means prices are all over the place.

Interestingly, the hatchback variants are more in line

Skoda from £14,290

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201811242720727?minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=al109ul&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&fuel-type=Petrol&model=OCTAVIA&year-from=2018&maximum-mileage=10000&sort=price-asc&transmission=Manual&make=SKODA&page=1

Golf from £14,766

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=al109ul&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=GOLF&aggregatedTrim=SE%20Nav&year-from=2018&maximum-mileage=10000&fuel-type=Petrol&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4

motorguy

Car_54 wrote: »

1991 actually, and SEAT in 1986. But the strategy predated both.

Anyway, whatever the dates, it’s pretty clear that VW’s acquisition of Skoda has been a success, despite ChrisK’s bewilderment.

You're right yes.

And yes, its been a success.

Nearly_Old

motorguy wrote: »

1 year old Octavia 1.4 Tsi Se < 10K miles start from £15495.

Need to be in Yorkshire:
https://www.dmkeith.com/skoda/used-car-results.aspx?COGManufacturer=Skoda&COGModel=OCTAVIA&COGVersion=SE%20TSI&COGFuelType=Petrol&COGOrderBy=PRICE&COGOrderByDirection=DESC


Significant difference as you point out, though not as big as what you were seeing then. I suspect the rarity of the car means prices are all over the place.

Interestingly, the hatchback variants are more in line

Skoda from £14,290 Boot space 590 litres with seats up.

Golf from £14,766 But the boot on the golf hatchback is only 272 to 380 litres with the seats up.

As well domestic duties the boot had to be big enough to take 3 sets of golf equipment (bags, trolleys, etc) with room for a driver and 2 passengers. Possible with the Octavia and looks as if the Golf estate would have been OK but not the Golf hatchback.

Clive_Woody

motorguy wrote: »

Are you a taxi driver?

Cant otherwise think why excessive rear legroom would be of importance?

I can think of several reasons, the most obvious being he has tall children who can stretch out in comfort in the back.

Or maybe he regularly drives with several colleagues and likes them to feel comfortable on long journeys.

Maybe he regularly has his parents in the back of the car and didn't want a poky little Passat so they felt cramped.

motorguy

Nearly_Old wrote: »

As well domestic duties the boot had to be big enough to take 3 sets of golf equipment (bags, trolleys, etc) with room for a driver and 2 passengers. Possible with the Octavia and looks as if the Golf estate would have been OK but not the Golf hatchback.

Oh i wasnt saying "buy a golf hatch", just saying the hatch prices were more closely aligned.

If you need an estate, you need an estate