PCN At Royal Holloway

Coupon-mad

Rose15 wrote: »

Thank you for your promt reply. I will do the online appeal and hope that is the end of it! If not I will do a POPLA.
Thanks once again

Without implying who was driving, can you evidence in the appeal, the 'driver' leaving then coming back (e.g. do you have Google location on your phone or dashcam data?).

Rose15

Hi I only have a text and proof I was at work. The university do not allow drivers to park more than 45 minutes.

Coupon-mad

OK, so I would not use the template appeal in this case, as it's a scam double visit error by their ANPR camera and you need to say that and prove it.

The driver did not stay there! Shift worker and was working the following morning. parked for 5 to 10 minutes.

Prove you were at work, even by getting a corroborative email from a colleague who states that they saw you arrive by car at xxpm and you are a shift worker who was there for xx hours overnight.

Say it like it is, and attach all the proof you can, and tell them to double check ANPR data, as the car was in fact only there for 10 minutes or so and it was two separate trips.

Rose15

Great advice, Thank you:) Sent appeal lets see what happens....

The_Deep

Firstly, it is not a fine it is an invoice for the damage which they allege you inflicted upon them when you allegedly breached an alleged contract with them. We call them scams. This one is the "double dip" scam,. Read some of these.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5550336/double-dip-parking-list-of-casesThe

The whole industry is a scam, relying on threats of court, and the public's ignorance of the Law, A bill is currently before parliament which will regulate the scammers, many of whom are ex-clampers.

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors. Is has been suggested by an MP that some of these companies may have connections to organised crime.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, (especially Smart}, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week), hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers.

Sir Greg Knight's Private Members Bill to curb the excesses, and perhaps close down, some of these companies passed its Second Reading in the Lords this month, and, with a fair wind, will l become Law later this year..

All three readings are available to watch on the internet, (some 6-7 hours), and published in Hansard. MPs have an extremely low opinion of the industry. Many are complaining that they are becoming overwhelmed by complaints from members of the public. Add to their burden, complain in the most robust terms about the scammers.



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The_Deep

Coupon-mad wrote: »

OK, so I would not use the template appeal in this case, as it's a scam double visit error by their ANPR camera and you need to say that and prove it.

Prove you were at work, even by getting a corroborative email from a colleague who states that they saw you arrive by car at xxpm and you are a shift worker who was there for xx hours overnight.

Say it like it is, and attach all the proof you can, and tell them to double check ANPR data, as the car was in fact only there for 10 minutes or so and it was two separate trips.

Hang on CM, why does OP need to prove anything? Have you not read this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

Umkomaas

The_Deep wrote: »

Hang on CM, why does OP need to prove anything?

Perhaps because the only 'verifiable' evidence being put forward at this stage is the PCN with corroborating photos of vehicle in/out with times showing a 24 hour stay? That's one big step to overcome just by saying 'innocent until proved guilty' - as in almost all ANPR cases, those photos are accepted as being accurate.

The_Deep

But surely county court judges are no longer unfamiliar with the hundreds/thousands of Private Parking Company fake claims passing through the courts each month, and many must aware of the failings of ANPR, which is not used by Local Authorities.

If one wishes to make life as difficult as possible for the PPCs, make them prove everything. The balance of probabilities must surely be in favour of the motorist.

I suppose it depends on why you come here. To some a PoPLA win is the Holy Grail, my mission is to get as many cases as possible in front of a judge.

Umkomaas

But surely county court judges are no longer unfamiliar with the hundreds/thousands of Private Parking Company fake claims passing through the courts each month

A big assumption. We see only the tip of the iceberg in terms of court hearings. Just one being reported here today.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5758559/9-months-after-alleged-parking-contravention-i-get-a-final-reminder-from-excel

Yet look at today's national list:

Date Court Name Claim No PPC Defendant Stage
2019-01-28 Bournemouth E1DP2F9C Countrywide Parking Morgan
2019-01-28 Bournemouth E1DP3F2C Countrywide Parking Morgan
2019-01-28 Brighton E2FC9D0H ParkingEye Earland
2019-01-28 Bristol E8GF4C4V Parking Control Management (UK) Cottle
2019-01-28 Bristol E7GF3C3V Parking Control Management (UK) Eurotaxis
2019-01-28 Canterbury E7GF7Y6V UK Car Park Management Cuckwood Set Aside
2019-01-28 Central London E9GF4C2W Parking and Property Management Singh
2019-01-28 Central London E6FC1J92 ParkingEye Ahmet
2019-01-28 Central London E7FC7A2K ParkingEye Levene-endfield
2019-01-28 Chesterfield E4QZ72C0 Excel Parking Services Smith
2019-01-28 Chesterfield E2QZ0H2D Vehicle Control Services Hobson
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E2GF5M09/2 Parking and Property Management Shahan From 30-10-2018
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E6GF4K8Y Parking Control Management (UK) Al-bayati
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E5GF8C2X Parking Control Management (UK) Ali
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E5GF4K5Z Parking Control Management (UK) Arfan
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E9GF1C5X Parking Control Management (UK) Barton
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E0GF6C1W Parking Control Management (UK) Brady
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E3GF7K1Z Parking Control Management (UK) Mohammed
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell D0GF92AZ Parking Control Management (UK) Soroko
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E5GF2K0Z Parking Control Management (UK) Sternlicht
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E6FC4D0G ParkingEye Dempsey
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E2FC4D9H ParkingEye Odelana
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell D7GF4Q3G/2 UK Car Park Management Ahmed From 10-09-2018
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell E2GF8M7M UK Car Park Management Asgdom
2019-01-28 Clerkenwell D2GF44JR/4 UK Car Park Management Jararian From 08-01-2019
2019-01-28 Darlington E6QZ50N4/2 Excel Parking Services Wright From 24-09-2018
2019-01-28 Edmonton E3GF7C4X Parking and Property Management Srivastava
2019-01-28 Guildford E5GF2V5V Private Parking Solutions (London) Warner
2019-01-28 Kingston-upon-Thames E8HW4X99 UK Parking Control Piercy-knight
2019-01-28 Lancaster E2GF7K2A HX Car Park Management Brown
2019-01-28 Lancaster E1GF9K7A HX Car Park Management Cutherbertson
2019-01-28 Lancaster E6GF1K4A HX Car Park Management Lofthouse
2019-01-28 Lancaster E5GF1K1A HX Car Park Management Unknown
2019-01-28 Leeds E2GM4K66 Civil Enforcement Maaruf Set Aside
2019-01-28 Lincoln E2QZ0Y06 UKCPS Henshaw
2019-01-28 Manchester E4GF8M2M Minster Baywatch Ali Paper Hearing
2019-01-28 Manchester D4GF4V5V SIP Parking Mcpherson Paper Hearing
2019-01-28 Northampton E0QZ6P30 Vehicle Control Services Devoy
2019-01-28 Nottingham E7QZ2N1A Vehicle Control Services Gurr Set Aside
2019-01-28 Preston E3GF9K3A HX Car Park Management Ridehalgh
2019-01-28 Preston E2QZ5J9R NW Car Parks Bakos
2019-01-28 Preston E7FC9J5Q ParkingEye Birkett
2019-01-28 Preston E7FC0E6R ParkingEye Wilson
2019-01-28 Stoke-on-Trent E3DP3E7V National Car Parks Adamczyk
2019-01-28 Stoke-on-Trent E5DP15GH National Car Parks Large Set Aside
2019-01-28 Willesden E2GF3M37 Parking and Property Management Dicks
2019-01-28 Worcester E3GF9J9Z Horizon Parking Davis
2019-01-28 Worcester E2FC0D9H ParkingEye Billingham

And, bar one, we are unlikely to ever know the outcome of any of the above.

Unless you have an inside source, TD? Friends in high places, and all that.

This one seems to read appositely:

2019-01-28 Willesden E2GF3M37 Parking and Property Management Dicks

Coupon-mad

Umkomaas wrote: »

A big assumption. We see only the tip of the iceberg in terms of court hearings. Just one being reported here today.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5758559/9-months-after-alleged-parking-contravention-i-get-a-final-reminder-from-excel

And, bar one, we are unlikely to ever know the outcome of any of the above.

Bar two:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/75373752#Comment_75373752

2019-01-28 Willesden E2GF3M37 Parking and Property Management Dicks

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