Betterware or Kleeneze!!!

NewbieMoneySaver**

Like we have said before.

There are always good and bad things about these schemes but you have to have the downline.

I found betterware ok as you cannot overlap as you have an area to cover.

hin501

Hi there! i used to work for kleeneze...i saw an advert saying EARN 500 POUNDS A MONTH EASY...
what they didn't tell you was this was if you post out on average 500 catolouges and in your spare time dropping off catolouges, turned into in your spare time dropping of catolouges then the two days after chasing people who didn't leave theirs out...then puting an order through...then sending the order on and collecting then sending off the money when you recieve it...
plus having to pay 300 pound to get started...then paying god knows how much to replace leaflets, bags, catolouges etc...
i lasted three months, the thing is if you are willing to stick it out 6/7 months before really earning anything (earning roughly 30 pounds a month for alotof hard work for the first six months, THEN when you are customer based things brighten up, but if you ask me it is not worth the hassle,
then when i tried to quit they charged me, i paid this off and threw anything kleeneze away, then emailed and rung them on about 10 different occasions asking for my account to be closed down, each time i got some foreigner on the phone saying, write to the head office and send your distrubuter id....i told them each time how i had thrown it away, until...ater about 2 months of constant emails and phone calls i sent a person higher up in the chain of kleeneze a rather gritty letter and FINALLY got a 'sad to see you go' email
i would never reccommend kleeneze to anybody, unless you know fully what you are getting into, and not let those swift talking salesmen talk you into how glamorous it is!
hope this helps
phew.... i need a lie down!:mad:

Hirdy

hin501

also when i worked for kleeneze they said 'so and so earned 1400 this week' when they brought in 1400 for kleeneze, 21% of which they kept...
they really do big themselves up and paint the brighter picture but like i said if you think this is a quick money fix, i doubt it, but like any other job the harder you work the better you do

Jo_F

I do wish that people would stop thinking of it as a get rich quick, its not that at all, its a business, you are self employed and you are running a business, and that takes time, dedication and a hell of a lot of hard work, you are not going to start earning £500 a month straight away.

did Richard Branson start earning hundreds of pounds a week when he first started?

It's not a job with a 'set in stone' weekly payment, you are not employed or paid by Kleeneze, you work for your self, and if you want the money then you have to put the blood sweat ad tears in to get it.

rolo_chihuahua

yes i agree with you it is not a get rich scheme. I earn aroun £250 a month but only work 6 hours a week.

And were did you get the £300 start up fee from? Its £75 £125 and £165 if you was a kleeneze person you would know that.

Peter_Pan

Interesting thread.

After 4 years in Kleeneze and also a couple of years in other Networking Opportunities my comments are that the likes of Rob Forster and other big earners were in at the beginning (10yrs+ ago) when it was easier to recruit, more people hadn't heard of Kleeneze it was fresh and new, customers weren't fed up with so many agents coming and going etc etc and secondly most if not all the big earners invest in property and other ventures as well .
For the everyday person joining now yes you can earn an extra £50 a week (before expenses) after a while of building a customer base and yes if you want to put out 1000s of catalogues you can earn perhaps a good income BUT long tern it isn't sustainable you would burn yourself out (the company love it because they are selling all the catalogues you are replacing), the way Kleeneze is advertised earn £50 an hour or XXXX a month is very misleading .

At the end of the day each to your own, I gave it a really good go, wore myself totally out and my advice is take a really close look and weigh everything up before joining.

Peter_Pan

rolo_chihuahua wrote: »

yes i agree with you it is not a get rich scheme. I earn aroun £250 a month but only work 6 hours a week.

I always wonder where people get these figures for number of hours worked . If you add up the bagging up time (which if you work with 200+ catalogues takes a surprising amount of time), then the printing of slips for the packs, the putting books out, then going back to collect, back again for the stragglers probably a few times, putting on the orders, sorting the deliveries and bagging up, then the delivering and having to go back or time spent on the phone making sure people will be in an dthen rebagging the catalogues etc etc the hours mount up and then on top of that if you teambuilding theres the time spent on fliering, putting out ads, talking to prospects, talking to the team, attending trainings sometimes at the other end of the country.
Hope that gives you some idea what to consider when looking at Kleeneze.

All that is without the expenses that has to come out of your earnings, new brochures as and when, replacement ones for lost/wet ones, ink and paper for printing, diesel/petrol, delivery costs, bags, order forms, phone calls to check people will be in, cost of travelling to meetings/trainings, telephone conferences, costs phoning team members, sending out materials to the team etc etc.

Noname29

rolo_chihuahua wrote: »

yes i agree with you it is not a get rich scheme. I earn aroun £250 a month but only work 6 hours a week.

And were did you get the £300 start up fee from? Its £75 £125 and £165 if you was a kleeneze person you would know that.

here we go, defending to the hilt without thinking about it.
The start up cost can be as huigh as you want if you buy more catalogues.
£75 gives 50 and I think £165 gives 200.
So if as the person said they were working with 500 catalogues the cost would be
£165 ( 200 books) plus another 6 kits at £30 ( 300 books) is £180 = ££345
doh
I would have thought that if you was a 'kleeneze person' you would have known that.

Maz

Jo_F wrote: »

I do wish that people would stop thinking of it as a get rich quick, its not that at all, its a business, you are self employed and you are running a business, and that takes time, dedication and a hell of a lot of hard work, you are not going to start earning £500 a month straight away.

did Richard Branson start earning hundreds of pounds a week when he first started?

It's not a job with a 'set in stone' weekly payment, you are not employed or paid by Kleeneze, you work for your self, and if you want the money then you have to put the blood sweat ad tears in to get it.

Just posted but then it disappeared, so sorry if at some point it appears twice!

Jo, I am sure you run your business with integrity and you've been in it long enough to have it sussed, however.............

You are not told all this when you start! What you are told is that you can 'earn £50+ per week easily, for not very much time involvement, around your current commitments, earn from day 1'.

What you ARE NOT TOLD is that you are actually running your own business, with all the accounting, administration, additional operating costs like paying Kleeneze for placing your orders over the Kleeneze website, re-investing to Kleeneze for irretreivable catalogues, stationery, postage, telephone, extra special seasonal catalogues, petrol costs for collecting catalogues and delivering orders, plastic bags, order forms, carrier bags....the list goes on! You are also not told about the labour intensive nature of the business, bagging up catalogue packs, deliveries, returning time after time to either try and retreive catalogues or make deliveries....

Maybe if some sponsors were more honest about the actual work involved, they might get more distributors to stay. Then again, they might not! :rolleyes:

brian09tt

I am also in Rob Forsters downline and his total team retail was £15.4 mil ;ast year. i have personlaly been to his farm seen the cars the horses the electric gates ect. He is a genuine hard working bloke from a coman backgrund (council house, low paid job ect). Kleeneze works for those who want it to work and put the time and effort in.

May well be but I was in his team when in 2005 when he was turning over a lot more than he ever manages to turnover now and he was always banging on about the same "sucessful agents" and yet never mentioned the 100s that quit every month for some strange reason.
Anyhow if you want to go to the conference in june there will be plenty of room thats about half the size as in 2005 as well.

and there was me thinking it was a growth industry ?

I think i made my point