Betterware or Kleeneze!!!

Noname29

I agree PP, purely on the retail side. If you want to earn a bit more and earn commission from the sales of those you introduce then Kleeneze is better. Bearing in mind the territory thing. That is one of the biggest gripes from Kze Dists and customers that they could get 3 in a day, or none for months. Everyday Essentials tried to set up a model using the best bits of both and failed.

NewbieMoneySaver**

I really believe if the time was put in then you can make an outstanding income from betterware.

You have not got the team to worry about either.

Peter_Pan

Betterware has been ticking along in the background for many years, Kleeneze is obviously higher profile because agents team building are promoting it, they have had negative press over the last year or so with the Farepak incident and being bought out by Findel which i have heard from a few Kleeneze agents has had a negative effect - some people refusing to buy from Kleeneze because of the Farepak incident.

I think any door to door selling will bring in an income if you are prepared to put in the hard work, it depends what you want,
Want to run your own Biz and be responsible for everything - Kleeneze
Want to earn a second income without hassle of paying for books, banking teh money etc - Betterware.

Noname29

PP's last post sums up exactly what I think.

Tim_L

I think the obvious answer to the question is neither. There's a very good thread on MLM in general at http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=577829
but the crux of the question is that the value in MLM is in the network, not from the products bought from the poor sods leaving catalogues full of overpriced plastic tat on doorsteps (or the friends they browbeat to buy them).

So you will see a great deal of aspirational propaganda from people who have twigged this and are attempting to build a downline, and the negative experiences are usually projected as coming from people who haven't put sufficient work in to succeed, are whining losers, or just cynics who will never amount to anything because they have no entrepreneurial spirit (incidentally, I'm a cynic who has his own part time income stream which has nothing whatsoever to do with MLM and nets me about a grand clear profit a week).

Most people don't make money from MLM. As a sales model it is seriously flawed. The MLM industry preys on people who are (a) gullible, (b) wanting to make more of their lives, and (c) not quite confident enough in their own abilities to dump an externally imposed framework for their activities. There are much easier ways of making the amounts of cash most people can make from this sort of thing.

One of which might be buying dumped stock from distributors who are giving up and selling it on for a small margin, undercutting the catalogue prices - you can find it on Ebay usually. If you really think that this sort of stuff has a market, then that's a lovely low capital route to making a bit of cash. Or you could probably import similar stuff direct from China. Maybe start a local catalogue selling cooperative without MLM, sharing costs and avoiding the cost of multiple network levels taking commissions? Lots of ideas come to mind for similar businesses really.

Tim_L

In fact, the idea of a collective for catalogue selling seems to me to be such a good one, I'm going to start a separate thread about it...

NewbieMoneySaver**

Hello all.

I think I can answer my own question.

Betterware really come in for me this week with just over treble my last weeks intake.

I hardly did anything.

This week i'm really going to go for it just before christmas.

culpepper

I did betterware for 6 months when the kids were little to get us out of debt.I had 2 rounds and the income was very good for the hours.About £5 an hour back then(1993).
I liked that the replacement books were free and that it was no quibble returns policy. It made it easy to keep customers as they knew a dubious item would definitely be replaced and I knew I would have no trouble in getting them the replacement.
I couldn't have afforded the outlay for a kleeneeze round anyway.
You do get the 'familiarity breeding contempt' thing a bit though,the odd person who thinks you will hand them their ordered item and not worry about being paid 'this week' or people ordering and then not opening the door to the delivery because they dont have the cash to pay you.

golddustmedia

As a recipient of these damn catalogues I just have to speak up.

I typically get either a Kleeneze or bettaware catalogue through the door EVERY week as there seem to be several people in my area doing it.

However what really annoys me is they put the slip saying when they want the catalogue back and I leave it out on the right day, only to find quite often it's not collected! Then it rains and I have a soggy mess on my doorstep. Then there are the ones that because it's not on the doorstep ring the bell when I've just put my daughter to bed and get irate that I've binned it.

So now, if I get one through the door it goes straight in the recycling. I know that will bother some of you but I tried leaving them outside and they were not collected, I told the people who knocked not to deliver them to me anymore and finally I got fed up.

So before anyone commits money to becoming the latest Kleeneze/Bettaware distributor bear in mind you'll get home owners like me.

Peter_Pan

golddustmedia wrote: »

As a recipient of these damn catalogues I just have to speak up.

I typically get either a Kleeneze or bettaware catalogue through the door EVERY week as there seem to be several people in my area doing it.

However what really annoys me is they put the slip saying when they want the catalogue back and I leave it out on the right day, only to find quite often it's not collected! Then it rains and I have a soggy mess on my doorstep. Then there are the ones that because it's not on the doorstep ring the bell when I've just put my daughter to bed and get irate that I've binned it.

So now, if I get one through the door it goes straight in the recycling. I know that will bother some of you but I tried leaving them outside and they were not collected, I told the people who knocked not to deliver them to me anymore and finally I got fed up.

So before anyone commits money to becoming the latest Kleeneze/Bettaware distributor bear in mind you'll get home owners like me.

What an honest reply. You should only get one Betterware agent dropping a book about every 6 weeks as its territorial, perhaps a bit more often nearer Xmas but Kleeneze you could in theory have loads as its a free for all, we dropped in an area while we were doing it only to get chased up the road and being told its no good putting this through its the 5th one this week!!!:eek: . AS for not being picked up this does happen unfortunately, people start dropping and realise that perhaps its not as easy as they first thought (100 brochures do weigh a bit and perhaps the kids aren't playing ball if they are taking them out ) or they get a few no thank yous or negative comments and they just stop then an dthere and never go back.