Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

We already have the ability to remove the bad people, and a huge amount of immigration is already non-EU, so I'm not sure what you're concerned about?

gfplux

goral wrote: »

Yes, 2nd home, holiday home will push property price up...
eh.... Everybody in UK will buy two o tree additional homes for holiday.
No. I'm sorry but it's not going to happen.
Just from one factor: people not earn enough to buy first home. Moreover, people are have less and less money and rent going up!

Sorry you missed my point.
The conversation was about who other than EU27 citizens would buy residential property in the UK. These purchasers for 2nd (or 3rd) home’s could not only be EU27 but also Russians, Chinese and people from the Middle East due to a weak pound.

However you are correct, while many citizens of other countries have money, British citizens just don’t have enough. This also appears to be the case of the British Government looking at the state of infrastructure, NHS, Police, Prisons, Public transport and education.
Either Briton has too small a tax take or the money is spent badly.

gfplux

A._Badger wrote: »

Codswallop! Show us these 'savings' supposedly brought about by the imposition of EU regulations and show us these 'new enterprises' you claim are thus encouraged.

EU regulations serve the interests of large corporations, which actively conspire to restrict and prevent competition. The examples are numerous and were well covered by Dyson in his complaints about the regulations covering domestic electrical products and how they favour the dominant German manufacturers. From my own experience I can confirm that exactly the same has happened in the horticultural chemicals market.

Just to but into the conversation.
Badger, Have you forgotten the European Medicines Agency that has moved from London to Amsterdam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Medicines_Agency

And the European Banking Authority which has moved from London to Paris.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Banking_Authority

Britain will now have to in future buy services or set up a new British National version, which even you should acknowledge will cost ££££

adindas

This is the prediction of scaremonger the Impact of Brexit that has been proven wrong.

This is just from IFS there are few other organisations which get continuous funding to defy brexit. Anti-brexit campaign is funded by multi billionaires one to name George Soros. Glad to see Arch Remoaners Gina Miller has lost a lot of money with court challenge and has not got what she wanted. What come next ??

https://order-order.com/2018/06/19/ifs-forecasts-about-brexit-consistently-wrong/

The IFS made a substantial number of predictions about Brexit which turned out to be completely untrue, including:

• That a vote to leave would be “seismic” and that “the economy would suffer… There’s no doubt we’d suffer in the short term”. There was no recession following the UK’s vote to leave; no abnormal change in inflation; no rise in unemployment; and no fall in wage growth…
• The IFS said if the UK voted to leave “the stock market, would dive, making us all poorer”. The stock market has risen to record highs…
• The IFS also said that investment would dry up if the UK voted to leave: “Investment… would fall”. Net foreign direct investment flows from the EU into the UK in 2016 were the highest in 10 years…

The IFS’s forecasts are politically inflected:

• In 2011, the IFS predicted that by 2014/15, absolute child poverty would have risen from 17.5% to 24%. In fact, it fell to 17%…
• The IFS predicted that GDP growth in 2017 would fall to 1.6%. In fact it rose to 1.8%…

Herzlos

adindas, are you ever going to reply to the points or just keep firing out unrelated soundbites?


I just want to know if it's worth trying to engage in debate or not.

fatbeetle

Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

BERLIN -- The German economy expanded by 0.6% last year, its worst performance since 2013, as export growth slowed and manufacturing was weak.

It was the 10th consecutive year of growth, the longest period since Germany was reunited in 1990, the Federal Statistical Office said Wednesday. But growth was much slower than in the past few years and it was the worst performance since Europe's biggest economy expanded by 0.4% in 2013.

The figure, while in line with economists' forecasts, was less than half the 1.5% rate booked in 2018.

The statistics office said that private spending, which accelerated slightly to rise 1.6% last year, supported growth. Construction also helped the economy. But export growth slowed to 0.9% from 2.1% in 2018 and 4.9% in 2017.

The euro zone’s second-biggest economy will slow next year to 1.1% from an estimated 1.3% this year, the Bank of France said in its quarterly economic outlook.

That marked a slight deterioration from September when the central bank had forecast the economy would grow 1.3% both this year and next.

Although the French economy has proven more resilient in the current slowdown than countries like export-dependent Germany and Italy, it too is feeling the pinch from a down-shift in global growth in the face of trade tensions.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire trimmed his growth forecast for this year to 1.3% from 1.4% previously due to trade tensions buffeting the global economy and he declined to give an estimate for next year.

Looking further out, the Bank of France forecast that the economy would pick up in 2021 and 2022 with growth of 1.3% both years as exports became less of a drag. In September, it had forecast 1.4% for 2021 and it did not have a forecast for 2022 then.

In the short term, the economy has had to contend with a nationwide strike since Dec. 5 over a major pension overaul with unions hoping to break President Emmanuel Macron’s resolve to reform.

Italy's National Statistics Institute (ISTAT) on Friday released new data on domestic industrial output for November and the overall economic situation improved in December. A day earlier, the institute reported that the overall employment rate improved to its lowest level since 1977.

However, none of the aforementioned figures improved by significant amounts.

The institute said that industrial production in November increased 0.1 percent compared to the previous month, reversing a trend that saw small decreases in production the previous three months. It also said the overall economic situation was "leaning toward" the worldwide trend for "moderate" economic growth.

The unemployment figure released Thursday told a similar tale: the number of Italians with a job climbed 0.1 percent in November compared to the previous month. Though the overall figure is the best in more than 40 years, the indicator had been hovering around that level for the last several months and economists said the number may have been inflated by some workers dropping out of the workforce.

Don_Two

gfplux wrote: »

Just to but into the conversation.
Badger, Have you forgotten the European Medicines Agency that has moved from London to Amsterdam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Medicines_Agency

And the European Banking Authority which has moved from London to Paris.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Banking_Authority

Britain will now have to in future buy services or set up a new British National version, which even you should acknowledge will cost ££££

Just to but in and correct you:

The UK has the MHRA and the Bank of England.
Already.
Instead of duplicating as we have been doing for decades are you seriously suggesting that using our own existing regulatory bodies will not be cheaper than the forced subscription and duplication?
That's like saying that owning two cars is cheaper than owning one; obviously ridiculous.

lisyloo

gfplux wrote: »

This also appears to be the case of the British Government looking at the state of infrastructure, NHS, Police, Prisons, Public transport and education.
Either Briton has too small a tax take or the money is spent badly.

I just don’t agree that things are terrible especially on a global scale. Yes sure we all want it to be better and there are some issues. There is always going to be demand for more, always.

Infrastructure - I’m a big critic of our trains in this country. But roads/parking - have you been to Paris, Spain, Manilla, Bangalore? (I once booked a hotel just outside the airport in manilla and was told we’d need to allow 3 hours, it was hardly worth the “overnight” in the end). Our roads are pretty good and our congestion is not as terrible as some other places. We have 6 airports around London. Schools need more money for buildings. I think we could have planned better with hindsight but we live in a good country. I met a blind man recently who came to England because he could not negotiate the streets safely in his home country (he’d had an accident with an exposed scafffolding pole). Wheelchairs users and the disabled have issues but have it far better than people in Africa and India.

NHS - you hear a lot of stories, but people with cancer and auto immune conditions get fabulous care all for free. There are a lot of successes and the news tends to concentrate on the failures. I’m not against accountability, sure we should have that but we should also have balance and what is available is frankly fabulous. I’ve had smear test, mammograms, vaccinations, health checks all to prevent me getting ill.

Police and prisons - yes there are issues but compare with other countries e.g. Cyprus, Iran. In London we have amazing responses to atrocities within minutes and a lot of physical barriers put up. Again there is a need to balance the good news with the bad. Our country is very safe and if you into custody you won’t be beaten or raped by the staff which happens in many other countries.

Public transport is amazing in London. Yes it’s not so good outside major cities but again I’m asking for balance. I am myself a big critic of the trains, but don’t ignore the good bits of what we have, it transport millions into London every day in relative safety have you seen Indian trains with people hanging onto the roof? Clearly we wouldn’t want that but let’s have some balance.

Education - foreign students pay a fortune to come here. Universities are full with a high proportion of the population getting further education. Again there’s issue but again we need balance.

I think we live in a fabulous country and can generally go about our business and live our lives free from persecution.
If it wasn’t great was would people spend lots of money to come here and at the other end of the spectrum take huge risks with their lives?

Anyone born here is incredibly lucky even if they are at the lower part of the income scale.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

We already have the ability to remove the bad people, and a huge amount of immigration is already non-EU, so I'm not sure what you're concerned about?

Now you convince the British people that the romanian / bulgarian gypsies who are camping around the Hide park, Park Lane, Marble arch or in any London Landmark in summer, some of them are using the sites as public toilet are good for the UK. Could you legally remove these people from the UK ??

You tell British people those EU people who can not compete in their own countries but come to the UK is good for the UK. Could you legally prevent them to come to the UK ??

People who do not work, never contribute to NI, none of their parents, grandparents ever contribute to benefit system but later qualify to get state support (benefit) are good for the UK ?? Could you legally remove them ??

Also prioritising the EU people is even hinder the Labour market for the best people for the country.

What about the best people from other countries such as Japan, Korea, China India, Russia, US, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong and many other countries.

Just look at in the US how many CEOs, richest people on earth, scientists actresses come from other countries other than EU.

You will get a better result if you maintain control to screen who you want who you do not want.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

I just don’t agree that things are terrible especially on a global scale. Yes sure we all want it to be better and there are some issues. There is always going to be demand for more, always.

Infrastructure - I’m a big critic of our trains in this country. But roads/parking - have you been to Paris, Spain, Manilla, Bangalore? (I once booked a hotel just outside the airport in manilla and was told we’d need to allow 3 hours, it was hardly worth the “overnight” in the end). Our roads are pretty good and our congestion is not as terrible as some other places. We have 6 airports around London. Schools need more money for buildings. I think we could have planned better with hindsight but we live in a good country. I met a blind man recently who came to England because he could not negotiate the streets safely in his home country (he’d had an accident with an exposed scafffolding pole). Wheelchairs users and the disabled have issues but have it far better than people in Africa and India.

NHS - you hear a lot of stories, but people with cancer and auto immune conditions get fabulous care all for free. There are a lot of successes and the news tends to concentrate on the failures. I’m not against accountability, sure we should have that but we should also have balance and what is available is frankly fabulous. I’ve had smear test, mammograms, vaccinations, health checks all to prevent me getting ill.

Police and prisons - yes there are issues but compare with other countries e.g. Cyprus, Iran. In London we have amazing responses to atrocities within minutes and a lot of physical barriers put up. Again there is a need to balance the good news with the bad. Our country is very safe and if you into custody you won’t be beaten or raped by the staff which happens in many other countries.

Public transport is amazing in London. Yes it’s not so good outside major cities but again I’m asking for balance. I am myself a big critic of the trains, but don’t ignore the good bits of what we have, it transport millions into London every day in relative safety have you seen Indian trains with people hanging onto the roof? Clearly we wouldn’t want that but let’s have some balance.

Education - foreign students pay a fortune to come here. Universities are full with a high proportion of the population getting further education. Again there’s issue but again we need balance.

I think we live in a fabulous country and can generally go about our business and live our lives free from persecution.
If it wasn’t great was would people spend lots of money to come here and at the other end of the spectrum take huge risks with their lives?

Anyone born here is incredibly lucky even if they are at the lower part of the income scale.

Well said.

Should point out that you are replying to an ex-pat that never returns home ...........