Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

adindas

goral wrote: »

And can you tell me what UK will be offer to other that you think will be better outside EU?

Just few examples:
UK has been the 2nd net largest net contributors to EU budget for many years
UK is the largest contributors to EU intelligence and security
UK has been one of the largest if not the largest of EU defence against aggressor such as Russia for EU countries.
EU fishermen has been plundering UK water for many years. Now they will all suffer in no deal Brexit.

Now, you tell me back

goral wrote: »

And believe or not, UK will be ask to rejon to EU in next 5 years, especially after hard brexit.

goral wrote: »

No. believe it or not, every thing will change. Will change for worst. Not for good.

Are you a prophet ?
You will need to try harder if you want to convince.
See the result of the recent GE. See what is the center of the campaign of the party who won the election, Just to remind you it is

"GET BREXIT DONE"

goral wrote: »

What opportunities will you (personal) have that you don't have now?

Who do you think you are? Why do I need to report it to you this irrelevant information!!!!

goral

adindas wrote: »

Just few examples:
UK has been the 2nd net largest net contributors to EU budget for many years

Any evidence? And can also provide how much money from EU return to UK directly and bi-directly.
for example: Austria, Czech, Slovakia ect, pay for UK fisherman, but these countries do not have access to the sea.

UK is the largest contributors to EU intelligence and security

Any proof?
Did you reed same news from past days?
UK in 2019 UK illegally copied the European Schengen database - is not contribution to safety is illegalny and dangerous action, to whom will UK transfer this data?
In last few year, UK fail send to EU information about people in prison, problem with software. UK keep this in secret for 3 years.
Do you wont more about security and intelligence?

UK has been one of the largest if not the largest of EU defence against aggressor such as Russia for EU countries.

Relay! How? When Russia attack EU? On UK simulations? Be real!
Conservative take money from Russian oligarch. Then Russian oligarch with stolen money from Russian people make UK as playground. We still not see raport about Russian interference in British politics. Time to open your eyes and stop believing in pink unicorn.

EU fishermen has been plundering UK water for many years. Now they will all suffer in no deal Brexit.

Is not about "plundering" is about to the quantity of catches allowed. The EU imposes catch limits on every country. Same as share country waters. So EU will be not allowed to catches fish in UK waters, but UK fisherman will be not allowed to access other EU country waters. You still think EU will be suffer?
And more, after brexit British fisherman they will not have subsidies for fishing. That means, all they cost will be in fish = fish in UK will be more expensive. What is more, EU will impose tariffs (~60%). So British fisherman can catch hundreds of thousands of tons fish, but, who will buy this?
I told you living EU means everything will change.

I ask you about opportunity you will be have after brexit - can you give me some example what you will have and what you don't have now?

Now, you tell me back


Are you a prophet ?

Of course not! I am a realist and I can see the world in terms of realism and not pink unicorn.

You will need to try harder if you want to convince.

I have no chance to convince someone who believes in unicorn, that unicorn does not exist. Brexit is your religion.
You loos common sense in this subject.
You not looks into brexit as critics, you not ask question, you just follow catchy slogans.

See the result of the recent GE. See what is the center of the campaign of the party who won the election, Just to remind you it is

"GET BREXIT DONE"

Who do you think you are? Why do I need to report it to you this irrelevant information!!!!

Yes, that catchy slogans. But, do you ask what relay brexit means FOR YOU?!


Some links - about 75K criminals which UK did not inform EU countries:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/14/revealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions

And about illegally copied data base by UK intelligence.

https://www.itpro.co.uk/policy-legislation/data-governance/354496/brexit-security-talks-under-threat-after-uk-accused-of

goral

adindas wrote: »

If you do not know that
- UK is the second largest net contributor to Eu budget.
- You do not know that UK is the largest contributors to EU security and intelligence

Then you must be a person who has very little knowledge but keep arguing.

You might want to ask your fellow remoaners ...
Do not expect me to do work for you to find. Find out yourself. There are tons of info about this. Google it yourself.

Exactly what I said. You just fallow catchy slogans.
You write about it, so you are responsible for providing sources.
I give you sources.

Still waiting for this opportunity you will be have?

Now you proof it that you are a prophet.
[I]And believe or not, UK will be ask to rejon to EU in next 5 years, especially after hard brexit.[/I]

No. believe it or not, every thing will change. Will change for worst. Not for good.

No, I'm not prophet.
I just use my common sense and I'm not blindly following catchy slogans.
Try ask question. And not believing in everything some people will told you.
I not ask you to believe me, I just ask you hard and simple question, that you can't answer.
Ask other brexit supporters - about opportunity you will be have after brexit - what you will have and what you don't have now?
And ask your self what brexit means for you, and what bring to you personal.

ps.
I'm not betting person, I believe in science.
And if you try look around without any prejudices - all experts say this same - Britain after Brexit will be worse.

adindas

- UK is the second net largest contributor to Eu budget.
- UK is the largest contributors to EU security and intelligence

This is fact. If you do not know that Then you must be a person who has very little knowledge abut brexit but keep arguing.

You might want to ask your fellow remoaners for this ..
Do not expect me to do work for you to find. Find out yourself. There are tons of info about this. Google it yourself.

It is very interesting to see a person with very little sense to talk about common sense. Just show a little sense. This what you wrote

"And believe or not, UK will be ask to rejon to EU in next 5 years, especially after hard brexit.

No. believe it or not, every thing will change. Will change for worst. Not for good."

It is only need a little sense for someone who firmly believe his prophecy he is 100% sure, he will put a full bet on this, take for instance such as currency speculation £ against EUR????

He will sell eveything he hasto be put on bet on this. He just needs to sit down and witness that in 5 years like what you said he will become a multi millionaires by doing almost nothing. Please write your monthly report to show people what you believe.

goral wrote: »

Exactly what I said. You just fallow catchy slogans.
You write about it, so you are responsible for providing sources.
I give you sources.

Still waiting for this opportunity you will be have?

No, I'm not prophet.
I just use my common sense and I'm not blindly following catchy slogans.
Try ask question. And not believing in everything some people will told you.
I not ask you to believe me, I just ask you hard and simple question, that you can't answer.
Ask other brexit supporters - about opportunity you will be have after brexit - what you will have and what you don't have now?
And ask your self what brexit means for you, and what bring to you personal.

gfplux

goral wrote: »

Yes... London, center of London.
Because it will be new tax haven.
But, what outside London?

Holiday homes in Devon, Cornwall, the South Coast, the Lake District etc etc. Plus of course Scotland.
Not everyone wants a beach holiday with temperatures of 35c
2nd home purchases push up prices making it more difficult for locals.

goral

gfplux wrote: »

Holiday homes in Devon, Cornwall, the South Coast, the Lake District etc etc. Plus of course Scotland.
Not everyone wants a beach holiday with temperatures of 35c
2nd home purchases push up prices making it more difficult for locals.

Yes, 2nd home, holiday home will push property price up...
eh.... Everybody in UK will buy two o tree additional homes for holiday.
No. I'm sorry but it's not going to happen.
Just from one factor: people not earn enough to buy first home. Moreover, people are have less and less money and rent going up!

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

The point here is that in the past Theresa May was begging for extension. Now the other way around. EU is the party who were pushing for extension, even though they know it has been made a law.

I can't believe I'm defending May, but I'm not sure she ever actually went begging - she always insisted on much shorter extensions than the EU was offering. Now, the EU still isn't begging, it's just pointing out that Johnsons timeline isn't realistic.


It may be a UK law, but international treaty trumps it.

adindas wrote: »

Just few examples:
UK has been the 2nd net largest net contributors to EU budget for many years
UK is the largest contributors to EU intelligence and security

And? Why do they mean it's beneficial to leave the EU?


We pay into the EU, and we get more back than we pay in, so it's good value.

You are familiar with the concept of spending money to save money, right?
2 examples off the top of my head:
I pay about £20/year to Costco to be allowed to shop there (outrageous, right?) but I save more than £20 each visit (I saved about £400 in a visit once), so I happily pay up.
I pay a mortgage advisor about £300 every few years to sort me a better deal, rather than doing it myself. Doing so will save me about £6000 over the next mortgage term. So I'll happily pay up.

HHarry

Herzlos wrote: »

We pay into the EU, and we get more back than we pay in, so it's good value.

Ok, opening myself to a load of grief, but a genuine question....

How do we get back more than we’ve paid in? If the same is true for all the net contributors, then isn’t it all going to fall over when the money runs out?

Herzlos

HHarry wrote: »

Ok, opening myself to a load of grief, but a genuine question....

How do we get back more than we’ve paid in? If the same is true for all the net contributors, then isn’t it all going to fall over when the money runs out?

The money we get back back isn't in a refund from the EU, as you said, if everyone was reimbursed more than they paid in it'd go bust immediately. It's more subtle than that (and akin to the 2 examples I provided).



We pay money into the pot to run the EU - the regulatory bodies, administration and stuff. That saves us a huge amount of cost in that we don't need to run them on our own (we're essentially only paying 1/28th of the cost of each). On top of that the reduced trade red tape saves businesses a huge amount of money allowing them to generate more profit which is taxed, and opens up new enterprises.


(using figures plucked out of the air) If we pay £10bn into the EU but it saves us £20bn in costs, then we're £10bn/year better off by paying into the EU than if we didn't.

Unfortunately the Brexit argument, which makes a good sound bite, doesn't hold up to scrutiny. They claim that leaving the EU will save us £10bn/year, whilst ignoring that it'll cost us £20bn/year and thus we're actually £10bn/year worse off.


Just like my Costco membership - I could save £20/year if I got rid of it, but I'd be paying hundreds more a year on my purchases. The headline looks good, but I'm significantly worse off.

Thrugelmir

goral wrote: »

Stability was guaranteed by the Corbyn government. Not by Johnson.

You mean a Momemtum democracy. Where their idea is of having just one candidate on an election ballot party......