Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

quirkydeptless

triathlon wrote: »

The one thing I loved about the December GE is that we barley hear about Brexit now in the media, I never realised who tortured we were

I'm all ears

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

More fake news I guess: by the end of 2020 Brexit will have cost us more than our EU contributions since we joined.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389?fbclid=iwar1rw8uy_ksrbbm26n4yjg-assej2tp7lt_fvkfrmctucboh_brwnkl7ule

Herzlos wrote: »

Boris has apparently banned the word Brexit in any government documents, in an attempt to claim.that brexit is done on Jan 31st. The actual act of leaving will drag on for many more years but this will be negotiating a new deal and not anything to so with brexit which was done (as he promised).

A bit like telling your wife you dealt with the cockroach in the kitchen and the thing scurrying round is a ladybird.

It's a shame you feel that highlighting brexiteer lies is going over old ground. We can't just let it lay amd accept it by omission.

The UK will be out EU after January 31, 2020. It does not matter whether You like it or not You personally agree or not.

Also the trade agreement will need to be finished by Dec 15, 2020. I remember in the past a few remaoners mention that the UK could not effort the no-deal brexit. Now the situation has changed. EU is even "begging" the Uk to extend the deadline. It is completely a different attitude to when the negotiation was under Theresa May.

Remember EU is not a country and any country has its own interest when it is not satisfied they will veto the agreement. No single country in EU is better prepared than the UK for no-deal brexit, due to the brexit delay.

I know reasonable number of people prefer a no-deal brexit if EU maintain the way they negotiate when negotiation was under Theresa May. Under Theresa May the worst PM in the modern British History, EU has principally got everything they want, and the UK has got almost nothing. The only thing that saves the UK is the clause "nothing is agreed until everything agreed".

In no-deal brexit what happens to Dutch. French and other EU fishermen. Think about German car makers which already see the decline on the current market. What happen to ireland food supply ??

With an overwhelming majority in the house of common, the current government could pass any decision about brexit without worrying other MPs will sabotage them.

Time to move on ...

Herzlos

No, the transition period mid start on Feb 1st, but the negotiation for the new deal will run for years, only when that is concluded is brexit truly done.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

No, the transition period mid start on Feb 1st, but the negotiation for the new deal will run for years, only when that is concluded is brexit truly done.

In the transition period the UK is officially out of EU.
Whether the negotiation will run for many years it s does not matter.
As the UK could also stop the negotiation and choose a no-deal brexit.

Herzlos

Technically, we're only out when the transition ends (either we negotiate something or we go WTO). We're a step closer, but we'll still be following all of the rules on Feb 1st. Boris is going to do his best to make it sound like he's satisfied his promise to get Brexit done, by calling everything else not-Brexit.



This is going to drag on long beyond that, costing us time and money we could be doing something useful with.

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

This is going to drag on long beyond that, costing us time and money we could be doing something useful with.

That's rich coming from you when the people you support have spent the past three and a half years doing everything they could to stop Brexit happening. We would have been out ages ago but for that.

Herzlos

Don't blame us for this mess. We were just trying to ensure it was done legally and without trashing the economy.

Now Boris has a majority you're not going to be getting either of those.

Don_Two

Herzlos wrote: »

Don't blame us for this mess. We were just trying to ensure it was done legally and without trashing the economy.

Now Boris has a majority you're not going to be getting either of those.

:rotfl:
Are you suggesting that what MP's are voting through in parliament is not legal Herzlos?
Since Boris won the economic pundits have pointed to an improving economy so why should we believe you when after all these years everything that your remain buddies have said has proved to be a bunch of lies.
The latest news says that even Airbus - you know, them that remainers said would leave the UK & cause thousands of job losses - are going to EXPAND in the UK!

All this "don't blame us" blether is just pure sour grapes.

adindas

Don_Two wrote: »

:rotfl:
Are you suggesting that what MP's are voting through in parliament is not legal Herzlos?
Since Boris won the economic pundits have pointed to an improving economy so why should we believe you when after all these years everything that your remain buddies have said has proved to be a bunch of lies.
The latest news says that even Airbus - you know, them that remainers said would leave the UK & cause thousands of job losses - are going to EXPAND in the UK!

All this "don't blame us" blether is just pure sour grapes.

Good to see that EU is now "begging" the UK to extend the brexit negotiation period. In the past quite a few of arch remoaners on this thread argues that the threat of no-deal Brexit from the UK was just bluffing and not credible at all. You know who you are ....

We could now see that No deal brexit is fine for the UK. Individual country in EU is more scared of no-deal brexit than the UK. It is completely a different attitude when the negotiation was under Theresa May. People could now say to EU, you go to hell with single market. In the future it might become a ghost market when individual EU country start to witness that UK will be more prosperous outside EU than in the EU.

Herzlos

Don_Two wrote: »

:rotfl:
Are you suggesting that what MP's are voting through in parliament is not legal Herzlos?
Since Boris won the economic pundits have pointed to an improving economy so why should we believe you when after all these years everything that your remain buddies have said has proved to be a bunch of lies.
The latest news says that even Airbus - you know, them that remainers said would leave the UK & cause thousands of job losses - are going to EXPAND in the UK!

All this "don't blame us" blether is just pure sour grapes.

It's due to remainer interference that Brexit had to be passed by Parliament.

We've done all we can to prevent you screwing it up, it's on you guys from now on. Own it.