Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

phillw

Malthusian wrote: »

The winners are content with winning.

Apparently not. But then maybe that is because they know they cheated.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

The Tories managed to find all sorts of money to fund stuff that suited them and their donors, whilst gutting services and still not doing anything about the deficit.

The shotgun approach to decreasing the benefits bill by cutting everyone off and then seeing who went for the really expensive option of complaining in the courts and winning, certainly didn't pay off. It's just something conservatives get pleasure out of, like fox hunting.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

The job of Parliament is to form a functioning Government and if it can’t do that then go back to the people via a General Election in the hope that it can find one.
The current situation obviously suits the Brexit naysayers because it enables them to disrupt and delay the path of Brexit through the house.
Thankfully it seems that enough of the British electorate realise what is really going on and consequently BJ is hovering around 40% in the polls.

No. That is what you think its role should be. It is PMs job to form a government that has the confidence of the house. Parliament is there to scrutinise the legislation presented to it. You must try nt to conflate what you want with the facts.

I think you may be right that BoJo will win the election, but aggravating the Brexit Party does not help, neither does failing to do what he said. May also had a big lead but failed to appreciate that the public decides what the issues are in an election. I do not want the UK to leave but I am more concerned with what the Tories have done to the country through austerity.

BobQ

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Stupid people do stupid things; so do intelligent people but on a less frequent basis.
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Do you have any evidence of this?

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

Rudimentary lessons in parliamentary democracy required.
It is the duty of every MP to coalesce around a group of likeminded colleagues in order to form an executive to run the country or take up a position on the opposition benches. Outside of that you do not squat in Parliament denying the country a functioning Government by refusing an election to solve the en pass!.
Our democracy doesn’t work if it’s elected representatives opt for stasis.
We don’t vote for Governments, we vote for individual MP’s who through their party affiliations then form a government. Here to help.

Try reading a book on the UK's unwritten constitution. The above is frankly nonsense. As I said above, there is a world of difference between what Parliament's role is and what you think it should be.

For example I think a PM should try to unite the country but they rarely do because the party system encourages a winner takes all approach whatever minority of the popular vote the obtain.

BobQ

Malthusian wrote: »

One side - Remain or Leave - has to be more intelligent than the other and it may as well be Remain. (It is mathematically impossible for them to be of exactly equal intelligence.)
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IQ is notoriously difficult to measure accurately so averages of two large groups are likely to have a broad and overlapping distributions.

Theophile

Malthusian wrote: »

One side - Remain or Leave - has to be more intelligent than the other and it may as well be Remain. (It is mathematically impossible for them to be of exactly equal intelligence.)

The problem with trotting out this statistic is that every time Remainers trot it out they make themselves look worse, not better. "How can this be" says the average 100-IQ Remainer, scratching their balls in puzzlement. "How can being the cleverer side possibly be worse than being the stupid one". Simples. Because clever Remainers have somehow contrived to lose to stupid Leavers. Not only did they lose the referendum, but for three years they have been unable to outmanouevre thicko Brexiteers and annul the result, despite having their hands on all the levers of power and multiple tried-and-tested tactical options (the Ireland solution, the Swiss solution, etc).

The more intelligent Remainers are, and the stupider Brexiteers are, the more glaring the failure of Remain. It's like a Premier League team losing to a lower league team in the FA Cup. It's much worse to lose to a team of plumbers from the Vanarama Conference than a team of cloggers from the second tier. The bigger the gap, the worse the humiliation. Banging on about how clever Remainers are doesn't make them look good, it makes them look worse, it highlights the extent of their failure.

Am I saying that it's better to be stupider than cleverer? No, what I'm saying is that it's irrelevant. It's like debating who has the bigger biceps, Klitschko or Fury. Nobody cares, what matters is who wins the fight. IQ is a vital statistic, not a virtue.

If the demographic dice had fallen such that Leavers had the bigger IQ, you can guarantee that nobody would bring it up. But they didn't and Remainers do like to bring it up because it feeds their sense of inherent superiority and complacency that led to them losing the referendum in the first place. "Vote Remain or you're a thicko racist".

Malthusian wrote: »

Why would they bang on about Leavers being more intelligent when they won the referendum? It's only the losers who feel the need to bring up irrelevant statistics. When Muhammed Ali beat George Foreman did he dance around shouting "Check out my 14" biceps!" and waving a tape measure, or did he celebrate winning a boxing match?

If a football fan is banging on about "we were the better team, we had 60% possession and 10 shots on target" it means they've lost the match. The winners are content with winning.

Whether Remain or Leave are the more intelligent side, or which one of them is taller, or has a bigger average shoe size, are irrelevant statistics with no practical effect on reality. If every Remainer in the country hit their heads and lost 20 IQ points, the UK would still be leaving the EU.

Banging on about irrelevant statistics is a deflection strategy. Remainers don't want to think about the thing that matters - the referendum result - because it went against them. So they try to think about something nice - like a survey which shows that they are the side with the higher IQ.

Problem is that this nice thing doesn't actually matter. It makes them feel good but so does getting drunk. Shutting yourself away from the real world inhibits your ability to affect it, which helps explain why Remain has been unable to stop Brexit despite having three years against political opponents that are (apparently) much thicker than them.

You're so content with winning you felt the need to compose two dissertations about remainer psychology on a forum frequented by a few dozen regulars. Sure.

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

Parliament comprises every MP and the House of Lords and it's most certainly not their job to help out the government.

The job of government is to form a functioning government. The job of everyone else is to provide checks and balances to that government to stop them making decisions that aren't in the interests of the country.

It isn't in the interests of the country to be bounced into yet another chaotic election campaign when all eyes should be on Brexit. I appreciate Brexiteers want us to have the inflation and economy of a banana republic, but we don't necessarily have to have the revolving door elections as well.

Bozo can screw up Brexit. Then we can have an election to kick him out.

No General Election.
Johnson should be left to stew in the mess that he caused.

fred_jackson

I have to say with the conintual delays of Brexit, my partner and I have pretty much put our lives on hold. We want to buy a house and were ready a while ago but we're unsure on what's going to happen post-Brexit... No one does!! We would hate to buy a house only then to leave the EU and end up in negative equity! Any thoughts?

Thrugelmir

fred_jackson wrote: »

we're unsure on what's going to happen post-Brexit... No one does!!

The sun will continue to rise and set everyday. Focus will then move onto climate change. The adjustments for which are going to be far more profound than Brexit. As going to require a total rethink of many aspects of daily life.