Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

SouthLondonUser

Tromking wrote: »

A Geezer from South London says, think of the Lamb farmers.
You couldn't make it up.

Those who can't answer clearly deflect. Classic.

LHW99 wrote: »

Perhaps to sell their lamb more into the UK? We appear to import almost as much mutton / lamb from around the world as we export:
beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/UK-Lamb-Trade-December-2018.xlsx
(also gives year to date).
If we wish to reduce emissions, using more local produce is the way to go IMO

Riiiiight. So autarchy is the answer? Did the Leave campaign say this before the referendum? Did it tell all the people who rely on trade with the EU: sorry, folks, you need to sell more locally? Or did it sell the lie that we'd hold all the cards, we'd get a great deal, that all will be fine etc etc etc?

SouthLondonUser

Matt_L wrote: »

Well thats good to know, just this week Mark Carney has indicated there could be a, "Golden Age" for UK

Fake news. "Golden age" were not words used by Carney, but by an MP who misquoted him:
https://fullfact.org/europe/mark-carney-brexit-golden-age/


Will you acknowledge you spread fake news and apologise?



Carney was talking about a managed exit (NOT no deal) when he said:

“In many respects, Brexit is the first test of the new global order and could prove the acid test of whether a way can be found to broaden the benefits of openness while enhancing democratic accountability. “Brexit can lead to a new form of international cooperation and cross-border commerce built on a better balance of local and supranational authorities.
“In these respects, Brexit could affect both the short and long term global outlooks so it's in the interests of everyone, arguably everywhere […] that a Brexit solution is found that works for all.”

Matt_L wrote: »

Lord Price ( ardent remainer) has admitted there will be many benefits for an independent UK when it comes to trade once outside the EU...

The ex-Waitrose boss, you mean? When did he say what, exactly? He also talked about "a pretty significant increase in the cost of fruit and veg, the cost of meat and the cost of dairy products." in case of no deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966961

SouthLondonUser

Tromking wrote: »

The idea that having a close economic relationship with our own continent should be dependent on our membership of a soon to be supranational federalised collection of nations is plain silly.
When all the silliness involved with us leaving is in the past, that close relationship will exist.

I dare ask the same question I have been asking, unanswered, for years: what do you think our trading relationship with the EU will look like? Do you think they will give us the same terms without us committing to the same rules?

J_Nostin

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Which basically means: don't worry your pretty little head, we have no plan, but we are special because we are British. Great strategy, congratulations!

Is there a reason for your nastiness apart from your obvious hatred of Brexit and is that why you misquoted me? I gave examples of how Britain continues to lead the world so what I think you really mean is "I didn't like that answer but I can't disprove any of it so instead I will post an unnecessary and provocative comment". As I'm sure your teacher must have told you many times, "must try harder".


“Life is what happens to us while we are making other plans.” ― Allen Saunders

SouthLondonUser

J_Nostin wrote: »

Is there a reason for your nastiness apart from your obvious hatred of Brexit and is that why you misquoted me? I gave examples of how Britain continues to lead the world so what I think you really mean is "I didn't like that answer but I can't disprove any of it so instead I will post an unnecessary and provocative comment".

I tend to particularly dislike those who deflect because they cannot answer a very direct question. When I asked about trade deals, tariffs, etc, you failed to answer, and simply quoted some examples "of how Britain continues to lead the world". That is not an answer. There are fields in which Italy and Spain "lead the world" - this doesn't mean the countries nor the economies as a whole do (lead the world).



Let me ask you again: how do you think we will trade with the EU after Brexit?
What do you say to the Brits who rely an tariff-free trade with the EU and who'd face high tariffs under a no deal scenario? Do you tell them they must sell more locally, like someone else said in the forum? Do you tell them all will be right in the end (but why? how long? what till then? etc).

J_Nostin wrote: »

As I'm sure your teacher must have told you many times, "must try harder".

Typical. Those who can't answer resort to personal insults. Congratulations.

Kohoutek

Tromking wrote: »

The idea that having a close economic relationship with our own continent should be dependent on our membership of a soon to be supranational federalised collection of nations is plain silly.
When all the silliness involved with us leaving is in the past, that close relationship will exist.

Unfortunately just because you personally think it's unfair or unreasonable, it's not going change the political and economic realities, which are: (1) the EU27 is much bigger than the UK (2) every significant country in Europe except Russia is in the EU/EEA (3) the EU is not about to collapse. In other words, the EU is the only game in town, whether people think that's fair or not.

And the idea that the EU is about to become a federal government for Europe is ludicrous.

Tromking

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I dare ask the same question I have been asking, unanswered, for years: what do you think our trading relationship with the EU will look like? Do you think they will give us the same terms without us committing to the same rules?

Same terms, without adherence to the rules? Of course not. Duh!
Why would you think I would know about the future trading relationship? You don’t get answers to innately stupid questions.
If I was to guess, I would say the U.K. will eventually bag a free trade deal commensurate with our economy being 65% larger than Canada’s and our penchant for consuming lots of EU goods.
You must desist from asking Leave voters from joining in with your miserablist view on the U.K.
Some of us are quite positive you know.

BRB_in_2019

Tromking wrote: »

Same terms, without adherence to the rules? Of course not. Duh!
Why would you think I would know about the future trading relationship? You don’t get answers to innately stupid questions.
If I was to guess, I would say the U.K. will eventually bag a free trade deal commensurate with our economy being 65% larger than Canada’s and our penchant for consuming lots of EU goods.
You must desist from asking Leave voters from joining in with your miserablist view on the U.K.
Some of us are quite positive you know.

Yes, even Mark Carney has at last succumbed and admits that the outlook is bright!
Now I don't know if this will work but my readings say it will, so - a link discussing Carney and his POV.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/mark-carney-is-finally-right-about-brexit/

Lungboy

Ah, so Carney knew nothing when saying post Brexit would be a disaster, but now he's saying it will be sunny uplands (I'm guessing, I haven't read the link) he's suddenly a modern day Nostradamus.

Herzlos

Matt_L wrote: »

May's deal minus the Backstop or with a legal exit date will be a good start, remember this is only a withdrawal agreement. Once that is done and dusted we can look at a good trading deal the remaining EU. Im all for having a good trading deal with our neighbours...

Provide a solution to the border issue then you don't need the back stop at all