Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Triple_Zero

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Already had, thank you - and there’s nothing. So unless you provide a link, the only reasonable assumption is that you’re making it up.

Like I'm making this up?

The Brexit Party topped polls in every country or region apart from London, which was won by the Liberal Democrats; Scotland, which was won by the SNP; and Northern Ireland, where they did not stand.

Apologies will be accepted after you click the link you couldn't be bothered to look for.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

Triple_Zero

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I get it that Brexiters have a difficult relationship with reality ....

That's genuinely funny, coming as it does from a remainer - and one who refuses to accept that we are leaving the EU.

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

but the fact remains that pro Remain parties won more votes than pro hard Brexit parties.

Only just, and not more than pro Brexit parties though.

It's not gong to stop the UK leaving the EU.
We've had that vote and now we have a government that will see we do leave.

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Do Brexiters understand the concept of RELATIVE majority?

Well we know for sure that remainers don't understand what winning a vote means.

The fact - whether you like it or not - is that The Brexit Party won more seats than any other single party.

SouthLondonUser

Zuzel posted that map saying it shows seats held by the Brexit Party. It does not. It shows the party with the relative majority in each area, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT CONCEPT!

No one is denying the great success of the Brexit Party. But the chart does not show seats held as initially claimed. That was a lie. There is really nothing to discuss or debate. No opinion, no interpretation, nothing. Someone posted the map saying it shows seats held. THAT IS FALSE. PERIOD.

Are you guys willing to admit this or not??????????

Brexiters' reluctance to admit the most self-evident banalities is shocking.

I have already commented on the difference between FPTP and a referendum so I'm not going to repeat myself.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seeing as the UK makes a sizable net contribution. Who is going to fund the difference to simply maintain the status quo. Let alone contribute to the increased spending plans.

What percentage of the EU budget does the UK provide? I worked it out a while back at about 9%. Westminster's austerity drive has shown you can cut budgets by more than 9% and keep running.


Will Brexit hurt the EU? Certainly, only a fool would think otherwise.
Will that hurt be enough to cause the EU to fall about? No chance.
Will that hurt be enough to get the UK a super special deal? No chance.


They might still make us pay the un-rebated fee for market access and actually be better off.

movilogo

Will that hurt be enough to cause the EU to fall about? No chance.

Bit too early to assert that. While EU is unlikely to disintegrate after Brexit, it may not survive in its current form for long. It will also depend on how UK performs outside EU. If UK does well, then it might accelerate EU disintegration by encouraging other countries to leave.

This is why EU trying its best to make UK's leaving as difficult as possible.

SpiderLegs

Herzlos wrote: »

What percentage of the EU budget does the UK provide? I worked it out a while back at about 9%. Westminster's austerity drive has shown you can cut budgets by more than 9% and keep running.


Will Brexit hurt the EU? Certainly, only a fool would think otherwise.
Will that hurt be enough to cause the EU to fall about? No chance.
Will that hurt be enough to get the UK a super special deal? No chance.


They might still make us pay the un-rebated fee for market access and actually be better off.

Apparently 8% less growth over 15 years is economic meltdown but 9% reduction in budget in one hit is small potatoes.

Thrugelmir

Honey_Badger wrote: »

I’d have thought a drop in the pound is more likely the markets believing Boris.

The view being that the EU isn't going to budge one iota.

Thrugelmir

movilogo wrote: »

Bit too early to assert that. While EU is unlikely to disintegrate after Brexit, it may not survive in its current form for long. It will also depend on how UK performs outside EU. If UK does well, then it might accelerate EU disintegration by encouraging other countries to leave.

This is why EU trying its best to make UK's leaving as difficult as possible.

EU was never going to remain in it's present form. The creation of the Eurozone was the first step to fiscal standardisation. Without which the Eurozone itself will struggle to address the imbalances.

adindas

movilogo wrote: »

Bit too early to assert that. While EU is unlikely to disintegrate after Brexit, it may not survive in its current form for long. It will also depend on how UK performs outside EU. If UK does well, then it might accelerate EU disintegration by encouraging other countries to leave.

This is why EU trying its best to make UK's leaving as difficult as possible.

[FONT=&quot]Exactly the point. That is the main reason why they keep making the Irish hard border as an issue where it should not be the problem from the beginning. For this reason, the best solution for this is to let them find the solution they themselves have invented. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Beside losing the UK net contribution the EU is really nervous if the UK is not tied to the EU because if after a decade of Brexit, the UK triumph the EU will be over.[/FONT]

buglawton

Thrugelmir wrote: »

EU was never going to remain in it's present form. The creation of the Eurozone was the first step to fiscal standardisation. Without which the Eurozone itself will struggle to address the imbalances.

Since joining the Eurozone the Mediterranean countries have struggled while Germany & neighbours had a boom. There has been no serious attempt at fiscal integration as it means a centralised financial authority that dictates precise spending limits (and targets) to all Euro regions.

The 'EU won't budge' bit is interesting. When the UK has any significant shift in policy there are ministerial resignations including the Prime one. That's a sign of an adaptable state.

With the EU such resignations are unheard of, showing what a sclerotic state it is. Let's not blame ourselves for that.

Something will budge.