Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

SouthLondonUser

Tromking wrote: »

Oh I see his desperation for a upfront confidence vote now.
Our friend from South London has convinced himself that Boris would lose that vote.

??? Not at all. My two cents is that, should there be an immediate confidence vote, Boris would win it. I was talking about a general concept, I wasn't trying to strategise to reach a specific outcome now.

I am also not sure Corbyn would call a vote because Labour has no plan and risks being cannibalised by the Lib Dems and by the Brexit Party - Jeremy's ambiguity was punished at the European elections.

Should there be a confidence vote closer to the Halloween Brexit deadline, who knows.

SpiderLegs

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

??? Not at all. My two cents is that, should there be an immediate confidence vote, Boris would win it. I was talking about a general concept, I wasn't trying to strategise to reach a specific outcome now.

I am also not sure Corbyn would call a vote because Labour has no plan and risks being cannibalised by the Lib Dems and by the Brexit Party - Jeremy's ambiguity was punished at the European elections.

Should there be a confidence vote closer to the Halloween Brexit deadline, who knows.

There’s about a one week window in September. After which it’s too late.

Tromking

lisyloo wrote: »

Don’t we need to do it in advance though.
If we leave it to the last minute won’t that mean no deal by default?

There aren’t any circumstance under which the article 50 clock stops are there?

Nothing stops the Art. 50 clock unless the Government asks for an extension and the EU agree. Macron is being a tad hawkish on the subject of an extension apparently.
I would say however, that had the MP’s currently worried about no deal not voted for Art. 50 (ie with the inbuilt no deal default) or had they not voted against TM’s deal, then the current panic they find themselves in might have been avoided.

adindas

cogito wrote: »

No he didn’t. Why don’t you google what he actually said and then come back and correct yourself.

This is what he said
https://www.mirror.co.uk/5-things-jacob-rees-mogg-14190961

1. July 2018, Rees-Mogg said the white paper on which May's deal is based was the “greatest vassalage since King John”

2. November 2018, Rees-Mogg said May’s deal would turn the UK into a ‘slave state’
3. January 2019, Rees-Mogg wrote an op-ed for the Daily Telegraph complaining May's deal would see us pay "39 billion for nothing at all"
4. January 2019, Rees-Mogg hosted a champagne party after May's deal fell.

5. Brexit ally Boris Johnson was also convinced the deal was worse than EU membership, calling it "worse than the status quo"

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

As opposed to impeded trade with the rest of the world with which our trade is increasing as our trade with the EU is declining.

Conveniently being in a CU with the EU should hopefully also get us unimpeded trade to a huge portion of the rest of the world.

Arklight

Sailtheworld wrote: »

If, say, we were dealing with someone so cunning that he planned to ensure he was blocked from suspending parliament and that plan had just come to fruition that sounds like the work of a genius. He doesn't need a cunning plan to blame others for his failures - he's going to do that anyway.

I doubt he's thinking much further ahead than his first step over the threshold of No 10.

Pretending you are going to do something terribly manly and rash so that your mates can stop you is hardly the work of tactical genius. Happens outside kebab shops every Friday night all across the UK.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Conveniently being in a CU with the EU should hopefully also get us unimpeded trade to a huge portion of the rest of the world.

Only that which the eu have trade deals with, and only under the eu's terms and conditions.

melanzana

Johnson will be saved. His Falklands moment has conveniently arrived.

UK oil tanker and crew seized earlier and heading for Iranian waters in the Straits of Hormuz.

Considering the amount of surveillance UK Supposedly has, who was watching?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

melanzana wrote: »

Johnson will be saved. His Falklands moment has conveniently arrived.

UK oil tanker and crew seized earlier and heading for Iranian waters in the Straits of Hormuz.

Considering the amount of surveillance UK Supposedly has, who was watching?

LOL.

What's Boris going to do about it?

There's no amount of bluff, bluster, jingoism and 'positive thinking' that can make up for the fact that Britain is now a third rate military power with ever diminishing status and influence around the World.

Even countries like Iran can now seize British shipping with impunity.

melanzana

Reports now saying that TWO UK flagged tankers + crew have been seized by Iran but not confirmed.

Trump’s response is incoherent. No surprises there. But he does mention that a new PM will be great thing.