Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Moby

Herzlos wrote: »

Understand that you voting to shatter my cosy little world will shatter your world more than mine, I'm afraid.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-economy-uk-living-standards-household-income-recession-a9007821.html


Exactly those who are already better off will be harmed less. I've still not seen anyone give a coherent explanation as to how brexit will improve the lives of the disadvantaged.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Applying a transit tax on Irish trucks crossing the UK might also help to concentrate their minds.

Sure, it'll help them speed up bypassing us entirely which will be great for our roads and environments.



We'd need to be careful that anything we do won't hurt us worse if reciprocated.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Then maybe Ireland should stop demanding that the backstop stay. They should help rather than trying desperately to force us to remain. That, after all, is what the backstop is for.

Ireland needs the backstop to stop us reneging on any promises. We don't really have must trust or respect at the moment.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Ireland needs the backstop to stop us reneging on any promises. We don't really have must trust or respect at the moment.

The backstop will never pass Parliament so it’s pointless even discussing it.

But when it comes to trust, the UK has little reason to trust the EU who would never release us from the backstop to ensure that we were handcuffed to them indefinitely.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

The backstop will never pass Parliament so it’s pointless even discussing it.

No deal it is then. We should have got this over with 3 years ago.

But when it comes to trust, the UK has little reason to trust the EU who would never release us from the backstop to ensure that we were handcuffed to them indefinitely.

Only if you believe the backstop is a trap. I've no doubt the EU will 'release' us from the backstop as soon as it stops being necessary - that point being when we either have the border, an alternative border system or a customs union.


If the UK doesn't want the backstop - then satisfy the criteria to ensure it's never needed. Remember we suggested it.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote:

I'm not looking to appear mature when I vote, I'm seeking to get politicians to do as I want.

What do you want the politicians to do?

adindas

Conina wrote: »

Don't be so naive, the backstop is purely and simply a means for the EU to try and wield a big stick over the UK when we all know that the reality is that they can not and it has nothing to do with being pro-EU or pro-Brexit as anybody with any reasonable grasp of the Good Friday Agreement should know only too well.

At least we've gone from remainers threatening us with war if we voted to leave to now threatening us with killing in Ireland and TBH one fevered conjecture is no less ridiculous than the other.

cogito wrote: »

The backstop will never pass Parliament so it’s pointless even discussing it.

But when it comes to trust, the UK has little reason to trust the EU who would never release us from the backstop to ensure that we were handcuffed to them indefinitely.

Indeed, it is only a blind cannot see that, the EU keep making the Irish border as an issue because they want to keep UK as a cash cow and subservient of the EU under ECJ. Also they are very afraid the UK will triumph in the future. When this things happen that will be the end of the EU.

Sailtheworld

cogito wrote: »

The backstop will never pass Parliament so it’s pointless even discussing it.

But when it comes to trust, the UK has little reason to trust the EU who would never release us from the backstop to ensure that we were handcuffed to them indefinitely.

The backstop would've only come into play if the UK had failed to meet promises to come up with solutions to the Irish border. I don't believe the EU want us lot handcuffed to them indefinitely and the backstop doesn't seem to be a perfect solution for the EU either so it's not the asymmetric solution portrayed.

The backstop was just a handy excuse for the right (who want no-deal anyway) and those who sensed an opportunity to be leader. If it wasn't the backstop it would've been something else.

Corbyn was never going to support the deal either because he thought a general election might be in the air.

Since the referendum we've disposed of two PMs, two brexit secretaries and managed to fit in a general election too. The EU must look on with bemusement; I know I do.

westernpromise

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/17/fanatical-von-der-leyen-final-nail-coffin-shambolic-eu-democracy/

Ursula Von der Leyen, the controversial Defence Minister of the Bundeswehr, got the approval of the EU Parliament to become President of the EU Commission by just nine votes. She was the only candidate, selected by the EU Council

Is this actually true?

movilogo

Exactly those who are already better off will be harmed less. I've still not seen anyone give a coherent explanation as to how brexit will improve the lives of the disadvantaged.

The economic benefits of Brexit are subjective opinions. For every change there are winners and losers. If Labour comes to power there would be winners/losers. Does it mean if Labour wins election we must re-run the election?

Brexit needs to happen because majority of people wanted it. That's the crux of it.


The doom-&-gloom Brexit articles are designed to creation sensations only. That article Independent claims household income fell by 0.5%. That does not indicate anything bad really.

Brexit hasn't happened yet. So that fall can be attributed to being in EU.
House price has fallen more than 0.5%. So, people could have more disposable income because of this.
The unemployment rate is lowest in history.

cogito

westernpromise wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/17/fanatical-von-der-leyen-final-nail-coffin-shambolic-eu-democracy/

Is this actually true?

Yes, it is. She was the only candidate and 48% of MEPs voted for her. Perhaps there should be a confirmatory vote.