Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Enterprise_1701C

Then maybe Ireland should stop demanding that the backstop stay. They should help rather than trying desperately to force us to remain. That, after all, is what the backstop is for.

adindas

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Then maybe Ireland should stop demanding that the backstop stay. They should help rather than trying desperately to force us to remain. That, after all, is what the backstop is for.

Sofar Ireland has been used as a pawn by the EU. [FONT=&quot]But they are getting scared now as they realize that time has come that they will not be so lucky like it used to be under Theresa May, who is the worst negotiatiot, the worst prime Minister.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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The key here is that [FONT=&quot]if it is about survival, everyone will do everything they could to survive including to veto EU final agreement. This is the last thing that the EU want as this will disrupt EU and leave EU with no confidence.

[FONT=&quot]Theresa may did not play this mind and power game correctly which get her to be humiliated and need to beg.
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phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Then maybe Ireland should stop demanding that the backstop stay. They should help rather than trying desperately to force us to remain. That, after all, is what the backstop is for.

The backstop is to prevent killing. Do you not understand that, or just not care? Or both?

adindas wrote: »

Britain would take Ireland’s economy down with it in a no-deal, Brexit Secretary warns

That is just a continuation of the euro skeptics project fear that has damaged the UK for the last 40 years.

Tromking wrote: »

Just for the record, I live in South West England.
I don’t think I can be any clearer or more honest by saying that my motivation for voting Leave was part driven by a personal grievance I have over the unfair financial settlement that exists between the various nations and regions of the U.K. This clearly bothers you and you find it illogical but to be frank I don’t care.
I’m fully aware that only around three regions of the U.K. put more money in than they take out, but the last time I looked we are all part of a Union where the pooling and sharing of resources and risks should be allocated fairly. That is clearly not the case at the moment and it’s not surprising to me at least that the English outside of London voted as they did. The only one around here tasting their own medicine is you.
Eat my Brexit.

Yeah, your argument makes no sense at all. You feel entitled to money that we pay to the EU, even though that money both saves us money and also makes us money. Therefore the pool of money will be lower and you'll get less.

It's like preventing your partner going to work because you resent the money spent on the bus fair & think you should get it instead.

Conina

phillw wrote: »

The backstop is to prevent killing. Do you not understand that, or just not care? Or both?



That is just a continuation of the euro skeptics project fear that has damaged the UK for the last 40 years.

Don't be so naive, the backstop is purely and simply a means for the EU to try and wield a big stick over the UK when we all know that the reality is that they can not and it has nothing to do with being pro-EU or pro-Brexit as anybody with any reasonable grasp of the Good Friday Agreement should know only too well.

At least we've gone from remainers threatening us with war if we voted to leave to now threatening us with killing in Ireland and TBH one fevered conjecture is no less ridiculous than the other.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

I'm not looking to appear mature when I vote, I'm seeking to get politicians to do as I want.

Absolutely, without a doubt, your first objective has been achieved. The second; less so.

How can you expect politicians to listen when you say loud and clear 'I want the UK to leave the EU' but meant 'I'm not happy about how much money is spent on my kids education and my parent's care'.

I'm not one for making excuses for politicians but mind readers they ain't. It's absolutely one of the most ridiculously ineffective examples of lobbying I think I've ever come across.

cogito

adindas wrote: »

Britain would take Ireland's economy down in no-deal Brexit

Britain would take Ireland’s economy down with it in a no-deal, Brexit Secretary warns

“Stephen Barclay says damage to Ireland is strong incentive to bring EU back to table Mr Barclay said 40 per cent of Ireland’s exports went through Dover and would be caught up in the ensuing chaos.”

[FONT=&quot]Also beside depending on Dover they will be isolated. In total 85% of their import export depend on the UK ports.[/FONT]

Reality Check: The Brexit challenge for Irish trade

Moreover, to substitute 85% of the port you rely on for your export import in a very short time is unthinkable if you will have a headline deficit in the region of -0.5 percent to -1.5 percent of GDP.

“Under the disorderly Brexit scenario, this could involve a headline deficit in the region of 0.5 percent to -1.5 percent of GDP for the next year, depending on the magnitude of the economic shock."

Brexit nightmare for Varadkar: Irish economy to suffer under no deal - 50,000 jobs at risk

With UK withhold the EUR 39bil and stop paying annual contribution will mean no more money to continue development, which depend on EU subsidy. Other countries who also depend on UK net contribution considering UK is the second net largest contributors in the EU. EU countries who depend on EU subsidy such as those who get a lot of agricultural subsidies, former eastern bloc countries.

Ireland the country who suffer the most have the power to veto the final EU agreement. The question whether they could survive given that 85% of their Export/import depend on UK Ports.

If it is about survival, everyone will do everything they could to survive including to veto EU final agreement. This is the last thing that the EU want as this will disrupt EU and leave EU with no confidence.[FONT=&quot]The last thing the EU want is Ireland to used their veto to block the EU final WA agreement leaving the EU with no confidence.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Theresa may did not play this mind and power game correctly which get her to be humiliated and need to beg.
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[FONT=&quot]This no-deal threat work. Watch this video of what Ireland said[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unxmoZ76Cbk&feature=youtu.be[/FONT]

Ireland has been used as a pawn by the EU. [FONT=&quot]But they are getting scared as they realize that time has come that they will not be so lucky like it used to be under Teresa May, the worst negotiatiot, the worst prime Minister.
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Applying a transit tax on Irish trucks crossing the UK might also help to concentrate their minds.

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

Personal imports and personal use, quite readily understood phrases. How will they claim VAT back if they do not get the purchase checked at the border? If they do get checked then the flip side is that they will have to pay for the import VAT. Who's going to refund VAT without seeing where it will get charged? It's how it happens throughout the EU why is going to change?

I've seen and used websites which deduct the VAT at point of sale for EU exports. If the UK leaves then they'd presumably be able to do the same for us. I don't know how many will, but if it generates a huge boost in sales it'd be stupid not to.

BikingBud wrote: »

Please advise how and what standards you think will diverge?

I thought that was the key point of Brexit? To not have to follow EU rules and courts? Thus we could change standards.


Some concrete examples - Australian hormone beef, USA chlorinated chicken, cars which don't meet Emissions standards and so on. All things we could capitalize on to become more competitive.


We could make Foie gras completely illegal, because it's cruel and we're better than France, but how do we stop it coming over the Eire border in someones car?

cogito

phillw wrote: »

The backstop is to prevent killing. Do you not understand that, or just not care? Or both?

Don’t be ridiculous. How on earth would it do that?

Herzlos

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

EXACTLY THIS!
Not to mention it is quite shocking to hear Brexiters talk about convergence of standards. Wasn't one of the points of Brexit that we had to get rid of all the hated EU red tape? Yet now these Brexiters are saying standards won't diverge? I am confused to say the least...

I think they may still be clinging onto Mays long rejected claim of standards transferring - we make a standard, it becomes law in the EU. With that, this isn't a concern, but it's just never going to happen.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

I voted to shatter your cosy little world, understand that please.

Understand that you voting to shatter my cosy little world will shatter your world more than mine, I'm afraid.